the person making the accusation is john lansdale, co-partner at palantir. it came up in the context of a new dad, pete buttigieg, who took time off from running the transportation department to welcome new adoptive twins. lansdale wrote, any man in an important position who takes six months off of leave for a newborn is a loser. in the old days, men had babies and worked harder to provide for their future. that's correct masculine response. now, as a man myself, i don't recall electing joe the arbiter what have is and is not masculine. for the record, he later said maybe "loser" was a bit harsh of a word, but the damage really had been done. i thought i would try to get some expertise in all this as to what other people thought about it and what dads take off for how long and for how often. i contacted mahima chawla, whose company works with fortune 500 hr departments on parental leave. good morning to you. what do you think of the idea that men who take extended time off are losers? >> hi, scott. shocking for a lot of people to see the type of language bei