lansing, michigan. i'm not quite sure now of the cities, but columbus, ohio, and also encino, california, where they lived. and so i was doing a story that basically trekked them going home, basically, and doing a concert. >> hinojosa: so you were literally hanging out with the jackson five and the whole family? >> hmm, certain scenes, backstage, when they were onstage. and then they had a family reunion dinner so i attended that and observed the dynamics of the family and the brothers and the sisters. and then saw them in concert with the opening act being the commodores-- that was interesting. and then interviewed each of them separately. >> hinojosa: but let me ask you, did you at that point, did you realize that michael jackson could become this huge, international star? did you have a sense? >> oh, he already had a number of top ten hits. they were already quite big, and it was unquestionable that they were major stars. michael himself was a mega watt star. he was a brilliant performer. and this is... >> hinojosa: but he was a kid! >> he was only 13. >> hinojosa: he was a kid. >> he was only 13 years