francine: in this episode of leaders with laqua, i speak about diversity, purpose, and what the futureolds in an ever-changing world. robin, thank you so much for joining us. the world is a bit strange, there are so many poly crises. it's just difficult to get a handle what comes next. robyn: that would be the shortest answer i could ever give. if this year has taught us anything, it's that prediction is not our strongest suit, perhaps. that is not just in relation to markets, it's in relation to these big geopolitical events that we are still living with. francine: it's quite incredible to think we are in a better place. i feel like every six months there is the doom and gloom proves saying, this is it, we need to reevaluate what happens next. yet, the economy holds. robyn: when we talk about it and have this concession about higher for longer, china still say out loud. there is maybe i'm going to be entirely long, but higher for longer. where the nuance is in that message is, what we are unlikely to see is 0%, we are unlikely to see 2%. we may see some 50 basis points adjustments. bu