francine: in this episode of leaders with laqua, i speak to robin about diversity, purpose and what the future holds in an ever-changing world. thank you so much for joining us on leaders. the world is a bit strange. there are so many poly crises, it's just difficult to get a handle of what comes next. robin: yes, that would be the shortest answer i could ever give, yes, it is difficult. i think if this year has taught us anything, it's the prediction is not our strongest suit, perhaps. that isn't just in relation to markets, it's in relation to these big geopolitical events that we are still living with. francine: it's incredible to think we are in a better place. i feel like every six months there's the doom and gloom crews saying this is it, we need to evaluate what happens next. yet, the economy holds. >> i think when we talk about it and have this conversation about higher for longer, which i still say aloud, then cross my fingers in some way that maybe i'm going to be entirely wrong, but higher for longer, i think we are the -- where the nuances in that message is what we are unli