francine: in this episode with leaders with laqua, i speak with blue josh bruce flat about the secrets of his success, the outlook for commercial real estate in his own future. thank you so much for coming on leaders. bruce: how are you? francine: i'm great, brookfield has gone from strength to strength. if i was a martian meeting you for the first time, how would you describe your company? bruce: we invest in, buy and own the backbone of the local economy. when the water gets delivered to your house, the road to drive on, the pipeline that brings different things to your community, the telecom towers that transmit your phone, the data center, the real estate that you live in. it's what we own and built. it's really what drives the economy, and you don't often see our name. francine: is that a good or a bad thing? bruce: it's because we are behind the scenes. it's big, worth a trillion dollars of assets almost. we are behind a lot of things of the global economy. francine: do you think it gives you strength? bruce: we try to be quiet and do our thing. sometimes it helps, sometimes it d

francine: in this episode with leaders with laqua, i speak about diversity, purpose and what the future holds in an ever-changing world. thank you so much for joining us on leaders. the world is a bit strange. there's so much public crises and it's just difficult to get a handle of what is next. >> it is difficult. i think if this year has taught us anything, it's just that prediction is not our strongest suit, and that isn't just a motion to markets, it's to these big geopolitical events that we are still living with. francine: i feel like every six months there is the doom and gloom crew saying we need to reevaluate what happens next, and yet, that economy holds. quakes only talk about higher for longer, which i still say out loud, then cross my fingers in some way that i will be entirely wrong, but higher for longer, i think where the nuance is in that message is, what we are unlikely to see is 0%, we are probably unlikely to see 2%. we may see some 50 basis points adjustments, for sure, but i think what we have seen from central banks is that they are not frightened of using policy

francine: in this episode of leaders with laqua, i speak to robin grew about diversity, purpose and what the future holds in an ever-changing world. robin, thank you so much for joining us on leaders. the world is a bit strange. there are so many poly crises or whatever you want to call it, it's just difficult to get a handle of what comes next. >> yes, yes, that would be the shortest answer i could ever give. it is difficult. i think of this year has taught us anything, it's that prediction is not our strongest suit, perhaps. and that isn't just in relation to markets, it's in relation to these big geopolitical events that we are still living with. francine: it's quite incredible to think we are in a better place. i feel like every six months there is the doom and gloom crew saying interest rates have gone too much, we need to reevaluate what happens next. yet, the economy holds -- i think that's -- >> i think that's right. when we have this conversation about higher for longer, which i still say out loud, and cross my fingers in some way that maybe i'm going to be entirely wrong, but h

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