we are pleased to talk with lara bazelon was writte who's writtes fantastic book entitled "rectify the power of restorative justice after wrongful conviction." this goes over booktv. the best starting point for this first of all you started off doing what? >> guest: i was a public defender and after seven years i joined a smaller innocence project is a satellite. they started at the innocence movement and as a result, many other projects loomed all over the country where i was employed to be the director. so we are connected because our client, the main client on the represented when i was there was a man named cache register who was my client and ther it was an experience we went through of exonerating him without dna and that it is. changed my life in a number of ways, one of which was to think hard not just about the damaged task which was profound because he was convicted in 1979 and released in 2013 which means i was in kindergarten when he was convicted and my son was in kindergarten when he was released but also to the victim's family who never got justice because as you know we