they went to laramie, interviewed hundreds of laramie residents over a period of a year or two years. talking about how mass murder affected them and the town of laramie at large, with the media descending on the town did to the town. there are some of matt's friends who are also part of the play. and then they are doing -- they went back 10 years later and we interviewed many of the same people and some new people to talk about how things have changed or not change and laramie. people's opinions, what's different there now. is the one on us and most truthful thing that will exist forever about what happened to matt and the committee of laramie. it is not about matt or his family, but it deftly shows the world that those people and then you are a reflection of anybody else in the world. you are one of those characters always, you will find yourself. >> host: jenny, florence kentucky. you are on with judy shepard. please go ahead. >> caller: hi, judy. it is jimmy from florence, kentucky. i was wondering as growing up, did you not know that matthew was going to be gay? or that he had sy

>> host: this is the cover of the book, "the meaning of matthew: my son's murder in laramie, and a world transformed". if you have been watching c-span you saw her present on her book in salt lake city. 202 is the area code. from those of you in the east and central time zones, 0002 for mountain and pacific time zone than you can send a tweet twitter.com/booktv. the first call is from idaho falls, idaho. go ahead with your question. >> i happened to catch the last bit of your program. how to deal with his parents and letting him know who he is and i am very fortunate to have a brother and that is day. he lives in the salt lake community. he is so loved by his family. such a great love for somebody who don't want to be around them because of who they are. >> all of our children are wonderful. to reject one because of their sexual orientation. >> the next call is from allen in baltimore, maryland. you are on the air. >> how are you doing? >> guest: hi, alan. >> caller: i am a gay man and i know longer practice the gay lifestyle for survival. the catholic church teaches in the catechism and

it investigates the responses to the murders of matthew shepard in laramie, wyoming, and james burton, jr., in jasper, texas. both of these in 1998. she is especially interested in how the powerful emotions from these crimes shaved public discourse and policy. so with those interruptions, we will start with you. >> since i'm interested in survival in the modern age of democratic values that are very close to the founders, i think that is kroeber it -- appropriate. my normative presumptions about the public is that there are two of you impulses. one is inclusion of everybody, and the founders were not that good at that, but american history is a progress towards greater inclusion, and paul clemons -- thoughtfulness. we want to consult public when they are thinking rather than when they are not thinking. that is a basic notion. and the question is how to combine inclusion and thoughtfulness. how could we consult the public in a way that represents everybody under conditions where they can think? because consulting the public has to involve the consent of the governed in a democratic soc