be good today. and you will support him, and in the meantime we will have a conversation with larisa denysenko, she is a ukrainian writer, lawyer, human rights defender, tv presenter, radio presenter and member of the ukrainian pen club. larisa, welcome to our channel. congratulations lesya, i congratulate andria and also hrynetska to the audience of espresso. actually, the reason for our conversation is the gongadze award. uh, what a laureate, the laureate of this award will be announced this year on may 21, that is, there is still a week left before that, and let's actually talk a little about this award, about the role of free journalism and freedom of speech in ukraine, and especially in ukraine, which is living during a great war, and it is interesting that today we are just talking, there is another date like this, today is oleksandr's birthday. kryvenka, who also laid such foundations of ukrainian journalism, ukrainian freedom of speech, so, two iconic, if there were reasons to talk. yes, therefore, ms. larisa, what can we say about the laureates, they have not been named yet, probably,