larpy chang a company that invests in high growth bootstrapped companies.olleen debase, director of digital media at the story exchange a nonprofit media group providing stories about entrepreneurial women to partners like the "new york times." great to have you back. >> great to be here. >> glad to be here. >> first enploem benefits. >> the whole arena of benefits for many employees and my people is changing a lot, and it's very confusing because of the costs involved. so the easiest way out for a small company is not to do anything. is this the right approach at this point in time? >> that's a good question and it's confusing, but i've got to say, it's always been complicated. benefits. so if you're inclination is to give benefits, don't cop out by not giving them. where sdw he even start? >> the fact it's complicated is not a good reason not to offer them. your business is as valuable as the people inside of it'sthe best people are going to require benefits. there's a small window in a young company the life you don't have to offer benefits but that ends