. >> supervisors, i'm larry ackerman. retired scientist, research scientist from ucsf.ing with coalition on homelessness, because i found them a very good responsible organization. i was alerted to the issues on the streets, via my husband, who has mental and drug issues. i've helped him on many occasion try to navigate human services, life on the streets, trying to find his phone. he can't keep track of a phone, so 311 is not an option for him. and i gradually built up a personal picture of how rugged life is on the streets. and when i've seen people lose all their belongings from these sweeps, it was disheartening. it was really depressing. the biggest point i want to leave with you, as long as the police department is the lead department for the hsoc, we're going to have conflicts, we're going to have difficulties. i know i've encountered difficulties from police over 25 years. various structural issues. so i'm calling for a social workforce. hot teams. we need to be sending out social workers, not police officers. thank you. do what you can to stop the sweeps in the

, wait for the committee's investigations, consult with constitutional law experts like larry tribe, bruce ackermand others and make a deliberative decisions. i don't think it's fair to say one way or the other before the process has played out. >> look, as you know, there are a handful of freshman lawmakers who don't want to wait for the conclusions of some of these. i mean, they ran on this, and they're ready to move forward on this now. so what do you say to them? >> well, i think being in congress on this question is like being on a jury, and how can you make a verdict or a decision before hearing all the arguments and hearing the closing statements, i would say, wait, the fairer we are in the process, the more confident the american people will will have regardless of their political persuasion, this is one of the highest obligations and we need to do our duty and look at the facts and see if the constitution warrants further action. >> given what you just described about the time line for the oversight committee and that it would be tied up in the courts, there may not be a conclusion before