boehner or mcconnell or the president or our governors. there is a leadership out there that are out -- that are out there every day, as you know, larry, thatg to build the economies within their state, despite the efforts of this administration with respect to those same value choices that you started this segment with. so i think that there's a lot of hype and overplay, but to the point that the governor is just making, rush doesn't make it easy for those individuals i just mentioned to do what they need to do to talk about the economy when he is framing a different argument. >> here's the problem, michael. it's not just rush. robert mcdonald, the governor of virginia, who was previously considered to be a vice presidential candidate was pushing a bill that would penetrate women with an instrument in the hands of a physician if they wanted to have an abortion. this is crazy stuff. women around the country are looking at this and going, what? >> the governor was not pushing that bill. >> he was pushing the bill until he found out it was a big backlash for it. >> once they did, they did their due diligence on it, the governors back off of t