. >> is much more larry david than jerry. jerry has a much lighter heart and a much younger heart. and larry is, you know, is full of darkness and little twists an turns. but it was a beautiful collaboration. and i think there was no way-- . >> rose: the dark is larry and the light is jerry. >> and a lot of the inspiration, larry lived across the hall from kenney kramer. so kramer is an experience in larry's life. george is certainly become a model of larry david in many respects. elaine was sort of modelled on carol leiffer who was an ex-girlfriend of jerries and a pal. it's all kind of there. but i think the stuff that people remember us for particularly early on came out of the notebook of larry david. i remember when we did the masturbation show. >> i said larry this is nut, this is nuts. he said this is the real thing. you know. >> rose: maybe not to you, this is my life. >> and everything that i thought oh, come on this is pushing credibility, he went it happened to me. i wrote this down because this has happened to mement so i think a lot of the more specific inspirations wee

. >> was much more larry david than jerry. larry is full of darkness and twists and turns. t it was a beautiful collaboration. there -- >> of the light is jerry, the dark is larry. >> larry lived across the hall from kenny kramer. george has certainly become a model of larry david in many respects. alain -- elaine was sort of model on an ex-girlfriend of jerry. it is all kinds of there. but i think the stuff people remember us for, particularly early on, came out of the notebooks of larry david. when we did the show -- >> we showed the clip. i said, this is nuts. this is a real thing. [laughter] everything i thought, come on, this is pushing credibility, he went it happened to me. , i wrote this down because that happened to me. i think a lot of the specific inspiration, week to week -- >> what is the darkness of larry? >> larry walks around with a cloud basically. >> the world is going to rain on him. >> it will rain on him and no one likes him and it is futile to get through the day because no good can come of it. and yet he is so filled with fear and phobia to kill himsel