>> it really is a tough case, and i think larry flynt quoting former chief justice rehnquist really madet amendment cases have been made by very unpopular groups, whether it was anarchists after world war i or people who didn't want to salute the flag or say the pledge of allegiance during world war ii, people who wanted to burn the flag in the 1980s, very controversial case. these are people who hold outcast opinions, but in all of these cases, the supreme court has said what the first amendment provides is freedom for the thought that we hate, and certainly there's hardly more hateful speech than these people torturing these poor families who are suffering so much as it is. but it may be that they say this is protected by the first amendment. >> you know, you, as i said, wrote the book -- i talked to you last hour. you wrote the book on this. it's called "the nine." you have some information, what's going to be important in the two case that's are not going to come before the supreme court. >> well, they're not there yet. they certainly will be there eventually. if not this year, then