jonas max ferris along with larry glazier and susan, welcome to everybody. so, larry, unemployment still above 8%, what is it going to take to get the job market roaring back? >> sure, well, the president's jobs plan is just not cutting it, and you know, we know when we dig beneath the surface, the situation is much worse than the headline data suggests. we know that the underemployment rate, a comprehensive data level is 15 mers in this country and know that the labor participation rate, a reflection of whether people are actually looking for jobs is at its lowest level since the early 1980's, their wages are barely keeping pace with inflation. >> how are we going to get better, larry. it's only a half hour show. >> how we're going to make it better by getting the unskilled workers skills for. that's how we're' going to make it better. >> brenda: this is the 30th month of job growth and-- >> and we're better off, for people who forget fall of 2008, 2009 we were losing 800,000 jobs a month and gdp was contracting and we were on the brink of financial armagedd