having the facts in play i admire the fact that local 21 convened a study committee i talked with larry greven who was here earlier with the san francisco vice president of local 21 and said a staff person from the retirement board came and spoke and dlebd deliberated i declined i deliberated with them there ever half for and half against and according to larry combreven were answered they felt be comfortable in making the recommendations they have the problem is that information that was shared to you guess a small study committee didn't get out there to f i u and the retirees and didn't think it got out to the broader manipulating of local 21 so definitely i think there's been a problem with information when i was with the planning commission the public testified the next time around when the committee the commission took things under add time the staff summarized the concerns and responder to them by today it was supervisor i mean commissioner paskin-jordan that had to ask the questions that people here have and have and it was commissioner driscoll who said we need to look at the pros and