i took a class in social welfare policy and larry jacobs. connected with me and i saw a way that i could take what is interested and academically and people like my dad. it has been a real privilege to study something that elements interesting, but which has a social good in the long-term. >> host: who designed the cover of the book and why is it designed the way this? >> guest: it's is an interesting design. i give all the credit to yale university press. their graphic designers came up with it. as you notice, the black title is a little off the page symbolizing how out of reach social assistance has become for many americans. >> host: professor scott allard is the author of "out of reach: place, poverty, and the new american welfare state." he joins booktv at the university of chicago. ..