but you found ways over years to reach out to those people like the activist writer larry kramer andgh they'd at one point called you a murderer. can you imagine an america where you somehow are able to reach out...? you've alluded to donald trump, to your other opponents, most of them are republican, who castigated you. is there any way to build bridges? i hope so, i hope so. but that would have to really be dependent on people putting aside this profound degree of divisiveness, because, remember, when you talk about republicans, my most enjoyable and productive interactions have been in the more than 50 years that i have been at the nih and at the more than 38 years that i have been the director of the institute, those have been with republicans equally to democrats. for example, i had the honour and the privilege of establishing and being the principal architect of the president's emergency plan for aids relief, or pepfar, which was, in fact, made possible by my interaction and collaboration with president george w bush. right. clearly a conservative republican. so i think to say