the fop, fraternal order of police. >> i think the endorsement by the fop for the challenger of larry krasnera, is very telling. the fop represents the very worst regressive approach the criminal justice system, the very elements that mr. krasner is trying to reform. and here is mr. vega who has claimed he is different, aligning himself with the very ideology as well as individuals who have created the problems we now have under the city of philadelphia where we have a justice system that is not operating in a just manner. the prime ethical mandate for prosecutors is to seek justice, not convictions. this has been a part of pesylvania case law since 1889 when the pits of any supreme court decision came down that enunciated the role of prosecutors is justice. juan: linn, first of all, greetings. we were former colleagues and years ago. i went to ask you, some people are saying, krasner, crime has risen and violence has risen during his time in office. the reality is across the nation, there have been spikes in crime in many cities. many people, myself included, believe we are witnessing a poli

you have the election of all these -- larry krasner in philadelphia.ard earlier about non-prosecuting sex workers. you've got rachel rollins in boston, was the bell in st. lewis county and kim fox just to name a few. all these folks have been elected on explicit platform of reducing incarceration, bringing it down and rethinking our approach to crime and particularly violence and at the same time at least in the last year, this big spike in violence in the u.s. murder rate increase by 25% in 2020. put that in perspective is more than 20,000 murders and here for the first time since 1995 and that leaves us open question right? what a spike in violence translate into political defeat for all these progressive prosecutors trying to rethink our approach to violence and crime? as a person who follows this kind of, thing wrote a book about it. i was hoping it would not because i think interpersonal violence is a pressing policy issue. a tremendous tragedy that we can address without ramping up incarceration, but i also would not have been surprised if there

y philadelphia district attorney larry krasner securing a primary win and beating back his challenger gascon in office, whose fighting for victims families. joining me is rosalind whose brother alexander martinez was murdered in a philadelphia shooting at crystal do good was killed in california. thank you for being here. said to talk to you under these circumstances. the news that came down yesterday securing this win, did that surprise you? >> the backing of a lot of artists, the outcome wanted, get the ball rolling and keep people accountable. >> what does this outcome mean to your family? your brother alexander was killed in 2012 and his killers remain at large. are you worried your family won't get justice? >> when larry krasner was elected from the first term of da and promise things we have yet to receive. i hope the media is covering this, before the election, what everybody is watching, and want to continue to protest this office a little more and for his actions, hoping he doesn't keep people out, will bail, that needs to change and the bloodshed in philly. >> look at these

that is what is so amazing about the philadelphia district attorney larry krasner's election.d by him and vega was backed by the police union who asked their members to register as democrats so they could vote in the primary before switching back to republican for the general election. and carlos vega with the help of the police union made it a referendum on the criminal justice reform movement. by pointing to a 40% in the city's homicides particularly. when the associated press called the race, the margin of victory was a whopping 30 points. it was a stunning rebuke fgt police union's power in a city famous for its notorious frank rizzo who once boasted his police department was strong enough to invade cuba and win. and former tough on crime mayor who just happened to endorse the opponent. the story of larry krasner's win is about how things are different from say the 1970s or even the 1990s in terms of the politics of criminal justice reform across this country. which is to say this is a story about how the politics of fear don't play quite the way they used to. back this 20

jillian: progressive district attorney larry krasner wins the primary in philadelphia as the cdc, a surgeongressive criminal justice movement nationwide as he becomes a strong candidate for reelection in november and promises measures like shorter probation and cash bail. rafael warnock compares the pandemic to a controversial project during a speech to graduate at morehouse college in atlanta. >> don't just teach us how to make our way out of covid 19, teaches how to make our way out of covid 1619. jillian: likening the pandemic to the 6019 project, when the first planes were brought to the country. it was criticized by historians a call it inaccurate and say it lacks context and perspective. jillian: 33 after the hour, the fight against critical race theory in ohio spiraling out of control. parents advocating values for private school in columbus, the school called the police and even brought in bomb sniffing dogs. joining me to discuss amy gonzalez and andrea gross. one of the most egregious things you go through? >> thank you for having us. tolerance and racism, we are parents of studen

amy: in philadelphia, district attorney larry krasner handily won the democratic nomination against hisenger carlos vega tuesday. vega is a former homicide prosecutor who was fired by krasner after he took office in 2018. krasner is credited with lowering philadelphia's prison population, halting the prosecution of drug possession and other low-level offenses, and reversing around 20 wrongful convictions. but he has also come under fire -- come under criticism for opposing appeals of prisoner and journalist mumia abu- jamal. krasner will face a republican defense lawyer, charles peruto, jr., in the november general election. meanwhile, in pittsburgh, state representative ed gainey defeated incumbent bill peduto for the democratic mayoral nomination. tuesday's win means gainey is likely to become pittsburgh's first black mayor. house minority leader kevin mccarthy says he will oppose the bipartisan deal to form a 9/11-style commission to investigate the deadly january 6 insurrection at the u.s. capitol. mccarthy suggested a congressional inquiry was not needed and said he would not suppo

so sure, there's a marilyn moseley in baltimore, larry krasner in philadelphia, one who was in florida, and now another one. the difference you're now seeing, you're now seeing folks realize that the d.a. is just as important. in the case of ahmaud arbery, there were three different d.a.s who were not moving. it wasn't until the video was released and the pressure was put on the georgia buffer investigations that charges were filed. so the public has to understand, when we're fighting voter suppression, that has a direct impact because d.a.s are elected. >> right. >> and so think about this. everybody listening, you want to see law enforcement and criminal justice reform, you got to have voter suppression end because that impacts who gets elected. so all of these things are interrelated. so when people tell me, man, why you always talking about voting, because you can't say i want to see the legal system change but you don't vote. all these things go together. so we must say top to bottom, president, u.s. senate, members of congress, governors, state reps, state senators, d.a.s, judges

we've seen in some cases people like larry krasner won their elections, the backlash to criminal justiceich is been as broad that you might have assumed based on that history. you still have republicans and democrats on the table as far as george floyd and policing act. but another reason why this is hard to measure is that so many of these fights are really local when it comes from law enforcement. it takes some time to really see the results of what activists on the ground are pursuing. and so it's hard to say one way or the other, but we do know there has been the backlash. there's always a backlash and that's just the way public opinion works. and i think it's a little too early to exercise with that means for these reform efforts in for this movement. >> yeah, the two things to meet that have really been enduring. the hot breath of reaction breathing down everyone's next, so you can feel, right? you felt it obviously then but you can feel it now just in several parts of the discourse. but also the consciousness changed, jamal, like you're saying. in the case of athletes. but a lot o