anybody that can make the case and who makes the case with anymore authority than larry kutlow . >> i will let that comment go. i will go on to this. i am very curious about what this ticket does. react to this idea. severe choppers that go after anything. the worst you can say of paul ryan and the budget claim it curves 5 trillion in to growth. we'll have the government spending more in a decade than it does now. if that is looked upon as jar conian it gives you an uphill fight to get the spend government boast under control doesn't it. >> it really does. we know that you are the king. but we have a bias. >> we are moving on. we are moving on. >> we both, we both love jack kemp and i saw jimmy on the show today. you are right. what paul ryan said out of the gate we need a governing majority and a plausible plan and his plan bends the spending curb. it gets the harness back on the big government. >> no doubt but my point was, we make a big to do over slowing the growth and spending that's what you face. talking about tropical storms and hurricanes, just slowing the man oh, man, can