larry lessig decided to fight fire with fire. he raised several million dollars for a super pac called mayday and backed congressional candidates who favor reducing the influence of money in politics over those who just can't get enough of that sweet campaign cash. if he could prove that people care enough about corruption to have it make the difference when they vote, it might become politically toxic for politicians to oppose reform. but lessig lost, too. his six picks in truly competitive races went down to defeat. so larry lessig and zephyr teachout are back in class, for now. but ring the bell. word has it they have only begun to fight. welcome to both of you. >> thanks for having us. >> yeah. >> so you tried nobly to challenge the system from inside and it didn't work out for either of you. was it naÏve? >> no, i actually think we got a lot done. i mean, i'd love to be governor right now. but we showed that people out there -- there's a sleeping giant out there of people who actually want a true, responsive democracy. >> bu

larry lessig teaches at harvard law school and made his reputation as an expert on internet law. he started the mayday super pac, raising millions for congressional candidates who vowed to fight the corrupting influence of money in politics. all but two of them lost, but the fight continues. welcome back. >> thank you. >> thanks for having us. >> chief justice john roberts takes a different view of corruption from the two of you. he says, quote, any regulation must instead target what we have called "quid pro quo" corruption or its appearance. the notion of a direct exchange of an official act for money." >> well, at the constitutional convention, the primary topic was corruption. the framers are sitting there in philadelphia, trying to figure out how to build the structures to allow this new country. and their real obsession was how do we, you know, we've seen what's happened in england, we've seen what's happened in world history. how do we protect against basically big money taking over representative democracy? and when they talked about corruption, they weren't talking about