on september 19th, larry mur low, president and ceo of c v s corporation. the chair of our committee is here. the vice chair are working hard to complete bringing you a very full program for the rest of the year. next, i'd like to present our guest with the traditional national press club mug. we are honored to do so as we did to nelson mandela. >> now the last question. sir, much has been said about nelson mandela's profound impact on your nation and the world. can you share your recollections of your experiences with him that will inform us about the kind of man he was? >> thank you very much for that question. and of course nelson mandela has always been a special man. we who joined the struggle that he was leading at one point shared many things. i don't know which one you can talk about. but his greatness was felt by us as the followers of him when he was the volunteering chief, when i joined, i was a volunteer. so he was my commander. but there are many things that he did. his appearances in court twice in 1932, i think summarized what we all stood fo