, you know, innovations or invengeses, such as google have profited dramatically because it was larry paige who went to the licensing office and said, you know, i need a patent. i need to shop this around. the intention was not necessarily to build a company initially, and so the benefits of stanford is that they now claim over 6,000 companies came from stanford whether it's the company itself or a business plan was created there, and fiscal, you know, financially, they benefit tremendously. stanford made, you know, off the equity investment, google mde $336 million alone in loyalty income, so not bad. >> host: well, speaking of google, is google the giant in silicon valley? >> guest: you know, i think there's many giants. i have to say, i mean, i'm incredibly partial to google only in theceps that i think what they did was not only adopt the silicon valley culture, but then they massively expanded it, and what's so interesting to me, i mean, there's two sides of thought. they were willing to do whatever they could to create this incredible creative environment for people to flourish and wo