ceo of kitty hawk currently, a company backed by larry paige. thanks for being with us.itty hawk is obvious to most americans of where the reference is, particularly to people who like aviation. your airplane is called the heavy side. and my immediate thought was, that had something to do with the musical "cats." but apparently not. >> a little bit, because the one thing you want to do in aviation is make things lighter and lighter and lighter. so we started out pretty heavy and now down to about 400 kilograms. >> excellent. so you've got a very efficient airplane. this carries -- and it is -- are we going to call it an airplane. it's not a drone. what are we calling this thing? >> i don't quite know. i think flying car is beautiful, because there was a childhood dream, but it doesn't have wheels. it doesn't drive. >> it doesn't drive around, but you would use it to, say, commute. >> you kind of lift up and drive in the sky. it's like a gravity shield kind of thing. so we call it -- it's a tongue twister, and no one can remember it, but electric vertical, almost like an