>> i haven't talked to larry paige in a few years because he got upset with me about open ai.en open ai was created, it did shift things into a -- from uni polar world where google id controlled, like i said, three-quarters of all the ai tal onto the where there's now sort of by pope ar world or google deep mind and now weirdly as it seems, open ai's maybe ahead. so i have had conversations with the open ai team. i mean i haven't talked to larry paige because he doesn't want to talk to me anymore for a few years. >> tucker: can i ask you, since you've been around a lot of this, the thinking. so why would anyone not be a tthis esist the human center in technology. what's the thinking there? >> i think what he's trying to say is, if i were to guess, that all consciousness should be treated equally, and whether that is digital or biological. >> tucker: hmm. and you disagree. >> i disagree, yeah. especially if the digital consciousness or whatever you want to call it, digital intelligence, decides to curtail the biological intelligence. >> tucker: right. so you're just building yo

think that's the issue, because their concern is that it's very liberal, like microsoft and google larry paige musk -- elon musk said he was worried and larry said he was specist. >> lauren: i didn't even know what that was. >> jimmy: who wants to live in a world where we're not the top of the food chain. do you know how [bleep] we are if we're not the top of the food chain? back to her point, chatgpt famously said it would not miss gender our friend kaitlyn jenner to avert a nuclear war. that would be considered such an affront it would risk making the war happen. do you think it really means that or do you think it could convince chat gpt to misgender kaitlyn if they thought she was a republican >> kat: i actually think the second one is true. unfortunately this is not new. politicians making laws or controlling technology without knowing how to log into facebook. kind of reminds me of, i don't know, politicians wanting to ban ar-15s who think that stands for assault rifle even ifs. they make laws about things and issues that they don't know anything about all time. it's like if you or i com

um, i mean, the reason open ai exists at all is that larry paige and i used to be close friend and ild stay at his house in palo alto and i would talk to him late in the night about ai safety. at least my perception was that larry was not taking ai safety seriously enough. and -- >> what did he say about it? >> he really seemed to be one sort of digital superintelligence, basically a digital god, if you will, as soon as possible. >> hey wanted that? >> yes. he's made many public statements ever the years, the whole of google is what's called agi artificial general intelligence or artificial superintelligence. i agree there's great potential for good, but there's also potential for bad. if you've fat some radical new technology you want to take actions, maximize probably will do good, minimize probably it will do bad things. >> yes. >> it can't just be just go, you know, barreling forward and hope for the best. and then at one point i said what about, you know, we gotta make sure humanity's okay here. [laughter] and, um, and then he called me a spescest. >> did he use that term none y

carlson last night, spoke about these companies and in particular zeroed in on google co-founder larry paige his approach. watch what he said about that. >> my perception was that larry was not taking a.i. safety seriously enough. and i agree with him that there's great poeen potential fr good. there's also potential for bad. i said what about, we've got to make sure humanity is okay here. [laughter] >> and then he called me a specist. maria: what about had that, peter? we know that the threat of a.i. is real as well and the risk, but this is where the growth is. how do you invest in it? you're interested in investing in artificial intelligence. >> absolutely, i am a total optimist when it comes to this, maria. to be honest i was a disappointed with that interview. i thought mr. musk spent a lot of time sensationalizing the so called fears of a.i. if you look back at history, even when the telephone was first introduced. people were totally fearful about that p thinking their souls would be transferred through communication lines and i see history repeating itself. you can replace a.i. with