it's founder and manager larry robbins, one of the best stock pickers i know with an ability to find ce that is is typical in the markets. one thing larry has not been is an activist investor until today when his firm filed a colonel solicitation to review a board. 11-year interruption, larry robbins joins me now. nice to have you back, so to speak. >> thank you. nice to be here. >> you're here today, hma, you file a consent solicitation. you have been making a little noise but today you come with eight directors. you're trying to throw out the board. larry, i follow m&a as you well know. consent solicitations in my memory don't usually seem to work. >> we're not taking this as a traditional activist situation because as you pointed out, we are what we call suggestavists. in this case for reasons where we point out in painstaking detail in our 13-page letter, 47-page slide deck that's available at revitalize hma.com, he set forth why change needs to happen. we wanted to take our suggestions to shareholders. the suggestion we're making is a newly constituted fully independent board of

mel robbins, hln contributor, criminal defense attorney. larry kobilinsky, forensic scientist at john jay college of criminal justice. was on the casey anthony defense team. what we just heard live playing out in this courtroom, these 911 calls of the judge just today said, okay. this is okay to play these calls that george zimmerman made in the, you know, several years leading up to the night that killed trayvon martin. the question i have, page, i'll start with you here in the studio. question i have, how could this be helpful for the state's side? >> it's really important for the state if they're going to prove their theory of what happened in in case to show that george zimmerman is a wannabe cop. he's someone that wants to report suspicious activity in the neighborhood. he wants to be aggressive. he wants to respond. it's really important for the state to show he's that type of person. because that's going to make him more likely to overreact in a situation like what occurred. >> larry kobilinsky, do you agree? >> i don't agree. i just don't