talk about larry sanchez, david cohen who come from the cia and went to the nypd.oard,kelly comes on police commissioner after 9/11, and says, look, we can't rely solely on the federal government. i think smartly said, we can't do business as usual. we need to start developing our own intelligence and have a better sense of what is going on in the city. so the guy he hired to do that is a man named david cohen, who we profile the plea in the book. he made his career at the cia, rose to the level of the deputy director for operations, basically nation's top spy. he retired as the head of the clandestine service. he was basically recruited out of retirement to start what is basically a mini cia at the nypd. his first things, david cohen calls under the cia and says, i need an active-duty guy who can be my right-hand man. george tenet, the director of the cia, since larry sanchez to new york. ,arry is this very likable guy skydiver, scuba diver, a guy's guy. use active duty, so he is a blue cia badge. he can start the early morning at the cia station in new york and g

bringing david cohen in, and then they brought in larry sÁnchez. >> he was the lie jaso liaison. >> he'steaching people out to go out in muslim neighborhoods, and just listen and observe and write down their rhetoric, what people were talking about in the cafes. some of that stuff was what do people say about the state of the union dress? what does the president think abouthink--who do they think abt the president's foreign policy? what do they think about drone attacks. what do we think about america foreign policy. >> even though they went far into the surveillance, in reality this is a city traumatized by 9/11, it was horrific for people who lived there back then and those around the world. wasn't it appropriate to take heavy duty members? would it have been he negligence on the part of ray kelly's part not to? >> oh, without a doubt they needed to double these efforts, quadruple these efforts to ensure there wasn't a terrorist attack. what the book raises are questions about what would this look like? and of course this went on for years until matt and i started peeling back-- >> sta

that architect was an active-duty cia officer named larry sanchez.gain, another unprecedented move. the cia is not supposed to be collecting or directing collection inside the united states. the lines have blurred after 9/11. after we started reporting on this in 2011, then cia director david petraeus decided it didn't look good to have the cia guy acted duty, sitting inside the municipal police department so they pulled them home and say now, if the cia and n.y.p.d. want to collaborate, they have to go through official channels. there can't be this sort of murky area. >> host: elisabeth for ari posts on our twitter feed, what do you think about the case against bruce ivan, which are reported non. first of all, who is bruce ivan's? >> guest: bruce ivan is the scientist who was about to be charged in the 2011 anthrax killing, but took his own life before him. you know, i think the fbi feel they had their man and certainly in a lot of the reason they feel like they had their man is because there is no better explanation. certainly the evidence against