meanwhile, larry sanders continues trying to point younger inmates toward the right path. >> i mean,in't never been up in here. >> well, you ain't never been in here. >> a lot of them are involved in gangs and stuff, because they have to be, because the way how it is in here. >> why you want to go talk to the kids? >> because, you know, nobody never came and talked to me when i was in school and talked to me and gave me a different outlook on the way i took life in, and you know, if somebody did, i would probably not have ended up in this situation that i am in today. so i want to get to somebody and because i am young, too, they wanted me to speak, you understand, to young people on a different level than they is, so i wanted to let them know that they can change. >> the younger ones, they come to me for opinions, and wants to know if they are doing the right thing. a lot of them wants to stay out of the gangs. >> would you say that you're just trying to occupy your time to get past this time and go out to do the same or -- >> no. i'm never doing what i did again. that is a promise

. >> larry sanders' program not only keeps him out of trouble.ts him out of prison, if only for one day. >> the program, we have a program scheduled today in fresno at king's canyon middle school. what we're doing is picking up one of our inmates is a participant of the program. it's a voluntary program, so they don't have to do this. he is doing this because he wants to. >> sanders. >> right now, as he is going there, we're going to process this inmate and make sure he is pat down, stripped out and then take him to r & r and do the paperwork for security purposes before we take him out. >> have you got your i.d.? >> i have been in prison three times. the first time i did a five-year bid for assault with a deadly weapon. after i got out and returned back on a violation. my third time, which is now, i got caught with 23 pounds of methamphetamine and was facing life with three strikes. so i ended up getting 15 years. been locked up ever since may 22 of '95. >> we'll let sanders speak a little bit about himself, what happened to him, how he ended up

i believe that's what fueled the rise of bernie sander, so they get a piece of the american dream. we're going to talk about those issues today. larry. mayor blare milo, who is from a small town, is going to speak with us. i do they some of the others issues we're debating help to contribute to that. >>> and tax form is another one, the trump administration planning to announce at least an outline. we're already hearing that in terms of a corporate tax rate, which may go to wages and how fast you think the economy and businesses grow,less a 15% corporate tax rate. would you be prepared to sign on to that. >> clearly america's corporate tax rate is not competitive with the rest of the world the only real way to raise wages is to -- but here's what i'm a little concerned about. i want to make sure as we make america's corporations more competitive, we don't make america's small businesses less competitive. so i want to see that part of the plan as well. i think we've got to look out for small businesses in america, which are almost always one of the biggest engines of job creation and wage growth. >> congressman, paul mcculley is here