some of larry somers >> you love larry, right brought up under larry, somers, right? 150 to 175 below consensus benchmark with the adp numbers we released this week. >> i think i need to go to you, rick if we don't go left to right. >> 400,000, 6.1. >> steve, i'm going to you because you have the number. >> not just yet, joe i need a couple of seconds there we go. nonfarm payrolls give me a second here. >> take your time. >> nonfarm payrolls are -- say it again i didn't hear that 379,000. 379, joe, i've got consensus -- better than the consensus. january revised up to 166. labor force participation rate 61.4 looking for the unemployment rate i have the u-6 at 11.1 unchanged. i don't see the unemployment rate let me go to the other source of data here. just a second. it looks like it came in 379 above. 6.2 on the unemployment rate is the number i need to open up what's called the b1 table here live on national television to give you some of the other data here. goods producing down 48,000. total private up 465 which tells me the government also lost jobs there. those a

larry somers, a top check in the clinton and obama administrations say this piles way more debt on our kids and grandkids than we need to spend right now. that's larry summers, bill clinton's secretary. the state and local bailouts are, quote, overkill. these are liberal economists. the cash bonus for laid-off workers will result in 60% of more workers by staying home then they would earn by rushing to work. more money by staying home than they'd earn from returning to work. what a great idea. this isn't state unemployment insurance, it's borrowing from our kids and grandkids to pay yet an additional cash bonus for not working. and this would extend deep into 2021 when we anticipate serious job growth. just this morning we had a jobs report that shattered expectations, nearly doubling the job growth experts expected to see. here's what "the washington post" says about in mess. this is "the washington post" about this mess that's before us. from policy experts even members of biden's own party, the improving picture is raising questions about whether the stimulus bill is mismatched to t

to inflation, the deficits and the deficit spending, but a lot of people, including, famously, larry somers for what that's worth, worry about putting this amount of stimulus into the economy at this moment. and we worry about what this does for our overall debt loads going forward and what happens to our children, what happens to our ability to fund other important government needs, because interest costs will be high. and so, joe, that's what we have to worry about today. >> all right. and all the kids have slowed down chewing their tricks and captain crunch, because they've been watching these charts. they're a little worried right now. matt lewis is with us. he has a question. matt? >> let me ask this question. do you think that part of the problem is that in most of the last 30 or 40 years, we haven't had inflation. and so there's a lot of americans today who in their living memory, this is something that you can keep spending money and it never matters. there's never a price to pay. the bill never comes due. how much of this is a failure of experience or of imagination? >> matt, certa