former deputy attorney general of the united states, larry thompson of atlanta, and i was united states attorney in alabama, we were such dyed in the wool reaganauts, when we went to a conference, we roomed together, separate beds. we thought it was cheaper. it would save money for the taxpayers. this kind of mentality needs to get back into what we are doing. i would just say that it's time for us to confront it. the vision of the members of this side and i think a lot of members of that side is not that far apart. i want to be clear about a couple of things. this budget needs to be put on a path to balance. it can be done without cutting spending in any dramatic way. all you have to do is reduce the rate of growth in spending. the budget will balance in ten years. we need to do that. we need to plan to do that. as i explained before, the debt is already pulling down economic growth in america. it's pulling down the growth that we have. the debt has reached such a level, 104% of g.d.p., our gross debt, it is above the limit and the level that the international monetary fund, the bank f