a person's recruited to lashkar-i-taiba -- of persons recruited to lashkar-i-taiba were dropouts. groups have a high percentage of madrassah trainees. they were all sent out into society to recruit the boys in their villages and their neighborhoods. they would not recruit somebody who was not known to somebody in the group. before 9/11, they used to have big gatherings, annual conventions where they would invite the families of those recruits. in 1979 convention, the event that i wrote the first article on l.e.t., the number of people who attended the annual convention was close to 400,000, including -- in the three-day convention. the list showed that 400,000 people had entered the convention. they issued passes to everybody and they kept a record of that. but many people left the convention and came back. i would say that it was somewhere close to 200,000, the total, but not all were members. they were the family, the extended family. when those people came there, many joined the lashkar. many of them, at least, allowed their children to join it. after 9/11, there was only one o