. -- laskco meetings. that was part of the original discussion. what was the rationale to get away from that? >> it was never a realistic goal. inherently impossible to buy green power that is more expensive and deliver it cheaper. if you -- it's the green power was cheaper, it would have purchased it. the problem is they would like green power cheaper. that was never the case. we love the seller on the rooftop but it costs 23.5 cents to produce it. we're able to sell power here at 11 cents. we cannot buy at unless you want to go ahead and subsidize that. that is not the way it will be long term. we will start to own our own infrastructure as the world changes. there will be a difference and the green power will be reduced in price. green power is more expensive. >> shell oil is coming to the rescue? >> they will by wind. -- buy wind, the chepaeapest is wind. even with that, it is still more expensive than your basic what they call brown power which is the majority of what is produced and should be by pg&e. >> we have discussions with shell about