so those things about jamie foxx, about queen latifah and all those, that those people play certain parts, it's their entrée to the major business, n 'cause the people calling the shots are not about colour. that is changing. >> piya: you see it changing? >> louis: ah, i' on bet and cbc and viacom with a myriad--a variety of races ofm n producers and directors, including the crew, which is totally universal. things are changing whether you can see it or not. it's chaquite rapidly. >> piya: and yet we see, you know when it comes to depictions of slavery on screen and book of negrohasn't played ounging but i mean i know you've taped it, but it hasn't rolled out yet. um, some films have been, um, accused of perpetuating kind of, torture porn when it comes to movies about slavery. >> louis: mm hmm. well, i've seen that, the sensational. but part of it is partly real. and everything is on the internet now, we know everything. we know about the abuse, people who abuse one another. weabout the slavery, the white slavery, or the baby abuse, we know about it all. we're learning how to grow up. som