the presence of revolutionary guards in latin america, the presence of latin america representing the presence of terrorists. they back them in latin america, and they could also serve to cause some harm to the united states of some american interest. what happened in october 20 # 11 when iran tried to kill the saudi ambassador using the center of drug cartel in mexico. there's a strong presence in latin america with connections to drug cartels, and they also have connections, of course, to the government. what's the interest in the government in having relations to iran? here egoback to the same logic with the farc. iranians are experts in creating or consolidating a totalitarian state, and therefore this is where it's not surprising why we have revolutionary guards in latin america. secondly, the iranians, of course, are experts, and that's another thing that they would like to adopt, which is what is called guerrilla war, protection of the own regime, and these are things that the iranians are experts on. particularly, i think what the government is taking intoing the is the possib

you know, the president of revolutionary guard in latin america, the presence in latin america represent iranian backed terrorist in latin america, and that would also serve to cause some harm to the united states, of some american interest. i'll give you a sample, what happened in the dover 2011 went iran -- in october 2011 when iran had killed the ambassador by using a member of a major drug company and mexico. hezbollah has a strong presence in latin america, and the connections to the drug cartels, and it also have connections of course to the venezuelan government. now, what would be in the interest of the venezuelan government in having relations with iran? and here i go back to the same logic that i used with the farc. the iranians are experts in creating or consolidating -- [inaudible]. this is what is not surprising that we have the revolutionary, iranian revolutionary guards in latin america. secondly, the iranians, of course experts -- [inaudible], which is what is called guerrilla warfare, protection of their own regime. and these are things that the iranians are experts on.

all those born to well off family as a young man she had traveled across latin america where he was exposed to the realities of poverty across the continent struggled with the acknowledgment that the u.s. corporate interests were defined by two priorities cheap resources and low wages funny how that hasn't changed much in over sixty years well his disgust for u.s. corporate imperialism was only reaffirmed while visiting guatemala enraged by the u.s. back to taper ship of card. his urge for revolution was only further fueled this was what brought him to cuba after meeting with castro who had already led a failed attempt at an overthrow of the government together the to lead a revolutionary war that would eventually topple the state making castro the country's new leader came an international figure and never stop pushing his radical ideas ideas that would evolve throughout latin america into a new movement and a series of social changes that would give the entire can't. a new identity now there's no doubt that chair was a divisive figure in history but long after his death his face remains a

all those born to a well off family as a young man she had traveled across latin america where he was exposed to the realities of poverty across the continent struggled with the acknowledgment that the u.s. corporate interests were defined by two priorities cheap resources and low wages funny how that hasn't changed much in over sixty years well his disgust for u.s. corporate imperialism was only reaffirmed while visiting guatemala enraged by the u.s. back to taper ship of carlos castillo out of us his urge for revolution was only further fueled this was what brought him to cuba after meeting with castro who had already led a failed attempt at an overthrow of the government together the to lead a revolutionary war that would eventually topple the state making castro the country's new leader became an international figure and never stop pushing his radical ideas ideas that would evolve throughout latin america into a new movement and a series of social changes that would give the entire continent a new identity now there's no doubt that chair was a divisive figure in history but long a

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the sixth foreign minister meeting of the forum for east asia/latin america cooperation kicked off on thursday. the forum is an association of 36 countries in latin america and east asia including ten asean member nations. it was established in 1999 when the then-prime minister of singapore proposed measures to enhance relations. trade between the two regions has increased nearly seven-fold in the past decade. indonesian foreign minister martin natalegawa, who is co-hosting the forum, hopes to further improve mutual benefits. >> we have to acknowledge that there is still plenty room for further enhancement. we wish not to see missed opportunities as the economies of east asia, economies of latin america grow and prosper. >> the ten asean member countries participating in the forum are working toward creating an economic community by 2015. as their economies grow, asean hopes to develop ties with other emerging markets, including latin america. >>> emerging economic powers still struggling with poverty. emboldened citizens still demanding democracy. the threat of violence, the push for

[laughter] >> i think you once said that latin america is like a woman whispering in your ear. no? latin america is able up and talking in your ear. you once said that. see in my ear, secrets, yes. telling secrets. >> that is a lovely picture. >> sandra's nest narrows -- cisneros once said that you write like a woman. >> perhaps yes, perhaps it's true. >> i don't know what that would mean. >> what's true also is i steal the dreams of my wife because she dreams marvelous dreams. my dreams are so stupid. [laughter] i have no choice but to steal, to steal her dreams. the other day i was telling the story of a dream and we were speaking, i don't know if it was yesterday or in another place but i was speaking about this sort of collective hysteria nowadays with the subject of security and how the airports have become something like hell. [laughter] steerable. the airport is such a terrible place for me at least. take off your belt. take off your shoes. what is this for? no, that does not matter. and so she had a dream. usually at breakfast time is the same humiliating scene. [laughter]

latin america is a woman talking in your ear? >> talking in my ear, secrets.telling me secrets, yes. >> that's a lovely picture. >> that is what i feel, yes. >> sandra sena row once said that she write like a woman. >> perhaps, yes. >> i don't know what that would mean. >> it's true. i steal the dreams of my wife because she dreams marvelous dream. my dreams are so that i have no choice but to see how he had [laughter] the other day i don't remember where, this story is a dream that we were speaking out about their lives at another place, but i was speaking about this sort of collect to hysteria nowadays, security, and security , something like, no click. the error -- the airport is a terrible place for me. take off your belt, take off your shoes to what is best for? and so she had a dream. the practice time, it's always the same humiliating theme. she asked him, did you have a dream last night? i might answer perhaps yes, but i forgot it completely. nbo? i did, yes. remember airports? airports, really? and then she told me she had a dream about an airport wit

information on the issue that the obama administration wants to relaunch a cold war here and in latin america look i worked in the obama administration state department no one has an interest in realizing the cold war we want good relations with russia we want good relations with china a number of the countries you mention in latin america we consider strategic. partners brazil foremost among them or to a lot on brazil policy so i don't think the broader characterization of what the government is trying to do which is you know if i understand mark or actually is is reignite a cold war in order to tamp down really i didn't say they were trying your whole initiative valence i didn't say they're trying to launch a war using this sort of cold war rhetoric i mean again i don't know i mean it would be russia using it he did order to frame this you know when russia china has mentioned this bait it's only you know order to make him into a traitor that's what they're doing now in terms of the i think that i think that i really like reality is that for a lot of you have a war. mark go ahead well they y

the venezuelan there's been perfect continuity between the bush and the obama administration on latin america and the general policy is they don't want any of you know they pretend to like the brazilian government because it's too big but if you actually look at what they've done there in two thousand and five they actually tried to they organize an attempt to weaken the workers' party government through the state department and we got documents on there from the freedom of information act so they don't really like any of the left government and they do see the whole region as getting a little when they were getting a little far afield here if i go to ari i mean kerry secretary of state kerry said people may die because of snowden. what's that all about. i think from i would say this again i i think what snowden done is important level i think it's also pretty clear that you know when you when you governments in general including the american governments have an important role to play in national security some of that requires secrecy it's certainly true all governments around the world look

this particular technique used in other types of animals was not available in latin america. >> thesere modern and complex technologies that we wanted to make available in latin america so that pharmaceutical companies can develop their projects in our region. the attention. it is a small country that thinks big. the white by day and green by night chief don't have any idea what the fuss is about.

excellent cooperation with russia which heavily invests into serbia we're also partners with china latin america the united arab emirates other countries of the arab world in israel joining the e.u. isn't a question of life and death rather it's a question of a better life because of that if i basically say no school is an alternative plan for so because it provides investment and loans and i don't see this is an alternative these two blessings are not mutually exclusive. do you mean that said he has no need to choose between east and west unity the unique or the serbia will never choose between east and west it wants to be part of both this idea is nothing new it was suggested by the serbian socialists two centuries ago yes we are a slavic orthodox country but we have bordered by western europe and while that might not feel like our natural environment we have to deal with it of course we have longstanding friends with whom we share a common past a common language and religion but it won't do any good for serbia to look in one direction only sadly enough serbia russian relations have never been

i believe that, yes, the president of argentina has aspirations to be a leader in latin america, and she admires the chavez model. she won't be able to use it in argentina because it's a different type of society. there are many elements in. society, many more counterbalances. chavez had the advantage of having oil, and having the monopoly on oil'm basically. in the case of argentina, there are so many conflicts there, so much position, but certainly i think kersher in is trying to strengthen the executive power, even having reforms that actually limit the action of civil society, perfectly against the press, limitations on judicial power. has to are all initiatives have been brought a few weeks ago. i think tried in past 'omediate. tried to mediate between the jewish community and chavez. i believe that at the continenttle level, the leader of the ma -- if somebody is going to be the leader of the bolivarran country, this is rafael coral from ecuador. christina kisrn re, i don't know. coral is following the blueprint of chavez. the design of the government is to perpetrate itself. s

how latin america and countries hope to turn their cancer figures around. rafael nadal securing his spot in tennis history. details later in the program. libya's army chief has -- has resigned in the wake of killing of 31 people in the city of benghazi. in a statement, yussef al- mangoush called for the militiamen responsible to be incorporated into the army. as we report, turns out that the libya shield brigades were directly linked to the army before the killings took place. oftreating the many the dems benghazi's militiamen -- victims of the light -- of benghazi's militiamen, doctors received many victims. some so badly wounded that they cannot get the right care they need here. we have some very critical cases, and we will transfer a large number of them abroad by airplanes as soon as possible. >> official reaction to the killings has been swift. three days of national mourning -- national mourning has begun. the government has taken on the job dealing with the militias. >> we have assigned the head of government. all armed for grades in libya that are

but not necessarily comic is some flights take a different route in latin america itself. those countries do have treaties with the u.s., but there is always a loophole saying that political persecution is exempted of that. it depends on who is in power. if snowden is protected by latin american government now, it does not mean the next will be protected area >> all right. >> ecuador's foreign minister says a u.s. request is under consideration, saying a decision will be taken in accordance to national and international law. >> one has already been given refuge by ecuador on grounds that he was defending freedom of expression. many ecuadorians say at home the government is less tolerant of dissent. >> julian assange was the first major whistle blower to seek asylum in ecuador. the founder of the internet platform, wikileaks, fled to the ecuadorian embassy in london. he is there today, protected by diplomatic immunity. the ecuadorian president is but -- attempting to portray himself as a guardian of freedom of speech, as an upstanding democrat fighting u.s. authorities. som

. >> i would strongly advise him to go to latin america. s if . >> latin i america.here is snowden now and what other documents could be fort coming? we'll keep you you posted. >>> plus more of anderson cooper's interview with julian assan assange. >>> we're officially on verdict watch in the trial of a former police officer accused of shooting his wife and burning up their home with the two little boys inside. they escaped. but all of that to cover up the crime. the jury is deliberating as we speak. and as they sit in that deliberation room, they have a whole lot to consider and that's an understatement. with us britt seacat a burning fuse like the prosecution claims full of uncontrollable rage because his wife had filed for divorce, or alternatively did she kill herself because she was depressed in the the medical examiner could not tell whether this was a suicide or a homicide. >> he specifically threatens her that if you divorce me, i will kill you, i will burn the house down, and i will make it look like you did it. >> based upon all of her experience, her train

but not necessarily comic is some flights take a different route in latin america itself. those countries do have treaties with the u.s., but there is always a loophole saying that political persecution is exempted of that. it depends on who is in power. if snowden is protected by latin american government now, it does not mean the next will be protected area >> all right. >> ecuador's foreign minister says a u.s. request is under consideration, saying a decision will be taken in accordance to national and international law. >> one has already been given refuge by ecuador on grounds that he was defending freedom of expression. many ecuadorians say at home the government is less tolerant of dissent. >> julian assange was the first major whistle blower to seek asylum in ecuador. the founder of the internet platform, wikileaks, fled to the ecuadorian embassy in london. he is there today, protected by diplomatic immunity. the ecuadorian president is but -- attempting to portray himself as a guardian of freedom of speech, as an upstanding democrat fighting u.s. authorities. som

looking at it from the surface i would strongly advise him to go to latin america. latin america has shown in the past ten years that it is really pushing forward in human rights. there's a long tradition of assu asyl asylum. >> add russia to the list. the country would consider a question but he says no request has been made. >>> you're looking here at turkish riot police taking on protesters in the heart of istanbul. protesters were throwing molotov cocktails. police responded with tear gas. arwa is in the scare. tell me what you're seeing. >> reporter: this situation has changed pretty dramatically throughout the day. the clashes began at 8:00 in the morning and there was a fairly intense back and forth where the riot police would move in firing tear gas, water cannons and at one point using rubber bullets trying to clear the square. right behind me that is park. it took on a life of its own. now we're actually seeing demonstrators flood in and riot place staying fairly on the outskirts. we were speaking to one of the commanders who told us -- >> arwa, you can se

we're doing a project with six editors in latin america to look at how wikileaks has played a role in their politics. >> the media got distracted by the personality issues with julian assange. it is a fascinating, dark, twisted story, whatever is true. " people got obsessed with it. >> that is what happens. >> we have a cover story on the kim kardashian wedding now. [laughter] >> you have to pay the bills. the serious side of kim kardashian. >> i do think it is a problem. we are undertaking a project next year, the kind of project inspired by the works project to have the team across the country of writers, artists, documentarians, photographers to document poverty in this country. it is the 40th anniversary of the book "the other america." we have this human-resources, people who want to do the project. they can do it in a way to tell the human stories. human stories are key. we can use the human stories to tell the story about the structural problems of poverty in the country so it has more than just a human interest quality. it could lead to change. it could lead to hearings. polit

but they have some of the strictest abortion laws in latin america. despite here fearful off camera pleas the authorities turned down her request. her mother says her daughter's life is at stake. >> i ask you please national assembly approve what my daughter is asking for. she wants to live for her son. she doesn't want to leave him alone. that's why i ask you as a mother don't let my daughter die. her life is in your hands. >> after seven weeks of deliberation that's drawn international attention their health minister has given doctors permission to carry out a cesarean section. this is a case that's divided the country. >> look, abortion is a business. they will always keep trying to implement it in this country. i don't know if they will succeed. but what i know is this. the vast majority are in favor of life. the life of all citizens, all people even if they are small, even if we can't see them, even if they are poor and vulnerable. >> in now that a compromise of sorts has been reached both groups may have been somewhat play kated. she will delive

would he choose a latin american country plenty of all the choices full and well i think that latin america has shown that it doesn't want to be america's you know client state anymore many of those countries down there are are taking the opportunity to to assert themselves in multiple ways and ecuador has already shown that by granting julian a sign just siloam in the embassy in london so these are i think many latin american countries are asserting their own independence now which we didn't see last century let's talk about whistleblowers themselves manning snowden they face very difficult few choose their fates did they not put off potential future whistle blows or is it just simply going to encourage more. i think it's simply going to encourage more. to be honest i mean well look at look we have we have we have it growing up and up it up step by step and step you have somebody that's inside the national security state who's known fully what happened to bradley manning and if you talk to people who are in the military if you talk to people in the navy if you talk to people in the army yo

but looking at it from the surface, i would strongly advise him to go to latin america. latin america has shown in the past ten years that it is really pushing forward in human rights. there is a long tradition of asylum. >> when wikileaks published the huge trove of communications and documents that bradley manning allegedly provided to you, many in the administration and in congress very publicly and loudly said this caused tremendous damage to the u.s., put hundreds of people at risk. what's interesting is that since then, and if you do research on it, u.s. officials have actually said that the information wikileaks published did not really significantly compromise u.s. security. i read an article in 2010, then defense secretary bob gates said the revelations were embarrassing and awkward but called them "fairly modest" in terms of the consequences on u.s. foreign policy. there was talk about, well, this is going to hurt afghans, they're going to get attacked by the taliban because of some of the revelations. an official told cnn, i think it was in 2010, that they did

i think it's this next issuesus three countries in latin america. they are united by hugo chavez.e's dead, he's been replaced by maduro, still socialist country, complicated relations with the united states. a tendency to want to stick it to the u.s.. so it could be those countries. >> which is an interesting choice. dana, i want to bring you in. we heard from julian assange that he wanted to go to an open democracy somewhere and i'm not sure that's where i would head if i were looking for a press friendly open democracy. the congressional reaction, i heard some of it this morning from senator schumer who was furious with the russians, senator rand paul with a slightly different view. >> absolutely outrage. the fact that one of the top ranking democrats went after putin the way he did saying he's aid and abetting a fugitive, somebody who broke the law, is pretty strong. we just got a new statement from a republican from southern florida, a could yuban american here's what she said. i'm concerned that castro or maduro can use the nsa leaker as a bargaining chip to get more concessi

is adding strong which i would rush to africa with latin america and the u.s. doesn't seem to get its economic. priorities imposed as it used to so our days here in here is a big risk for economic spying is the u.s. government maintains that its controversial prison surveillance program is essential for national security but as our season it now reports the electronic snooping operation is not as powerful as it might same. and there is suppose a quest for preventing terror attacks and increasing security prism only gathers data from the internet big players such as google facebook and so on but most of those who look forward to harvest or terrorist related information can find it only on the appropriate forums which are hidden deep within the so-called underwear none of these resources in that realm are actually indexed by the major search engines in fact google how that one point admitted that it indexes a tiny fraction of just one percent of all data that's available on the web if you imagine it as an iceberg that you can understand that prism only covers the

and expand our outreach to latin america and asian market street, not just to attract businesses to come here, but i'd like for us to really begin to introduce "made in san francisco" products to these growing market street. (applause) ~ markets >> while the worst of the economic crisis may be behind us, we cannot deviate from our commitment to fiscal responsibility and reform. we will continue to invest in our neighborhoods, in our infrastructure, and most importantly, in our people. i want to recognize budget chair supervisor mark farrell again for leading the budget effort and making this a very collaborative process. i want to thank my staff led by steve kava, and to my budget office led by kate howard. and also a great thanks to ben rosenfield, our city controller and his staff, and then an anticipated thanks in advance to budget analyst harvey rose for his anticipated cooperation. [laughter] >> so, i know this is short, but i think you look at the budget. to me it's quite a sweet budget. so, let's roll up our sleeves. let's get this budget done collaboratively. and then let's spend

we have been in latin america since 1946.form and geographic springs. you look at the performance, it was in latin america, although over the last many years, one way that we measure our performance is versus industrial production index and the company in total is growing 1.5 to 2 x. >> industrial growth rate. >> absolutely. in latin america over the years, we have been growing almost five times industrial production index. so we have done it very well by coming in early and been very strong team in all countries. so it's not only mexico and brazil, it's broad-businessed for us. >> when you took over last year, one of the first things you decided was that spending on r & d, now you are moving to 6% of revenues which works out to roughly $30 billion a year on r & d. >> we move it from 5.5 close toer co 6. >> why and what is that money for? what will it do for you? >> why, innovation is the center of the plan. i am a strong beliefer that search and development was a dry return for investors. that's when you difference chayet to

that when president visited chile last year, he made a kind of speech or proposal to the whole latin america world, and he was very committed in trying to recover the lost time in terms of doing much more to integrate our america's. imagine europe, they have to suffer two world wars. but they were smart enough to move from the marginal line philosophy to -- instead of kill themselves by millions like they did in the 20s, '30s, they try to great the economic any. of course, they're facing problems. maybe they did not in the right way, maybe the creation of the euro should have been accompanied by more monetary coordination and things like that because we are fully aware of the problems they're facing right now. but we are convinced that the use has to play a much more active and effective role, and it has to assert its leadership in its own conference like america in a much better way. i have an impression president obama is fully aware of that, and he should come as that is what he has told us, that's what he told us in sandy ago, that he will move forward. -- san diego. now it's not only ch

in latin america. time ibeginning of that was one day in an indian village in the sierra. it was an ugly day. it had been raining the whole time. in the slum across from me another guy, not in the slum, in .he mud, we look at each other short guy, thin and hungry, jobless, five kids and the wife. he was an economist teaching in berkeley. we were looking at each other. and then suddenly i realized i had nothing coherent to say to that man. the circumstances, my language as an economist, was useless. i discovered that i had no language. that was enough, the metaphor , whichfoot economics meant that stepping to the mat and man must practice. studying and analyzing poverty, having all the statistics, they arel the models, convinced that they know everything they can about poverty, but they understand nothing about poverty. life inot changed my economics completely. i invented a language that is to hear it. >> what is that language? how do you apply economics or have those explanations change? >> the thing is much deeper. 15 lessons, or satisfaction guaranteed or your money bac

i do get into cia latin america operations in the 80s. counternarcotics operations as a way to talk about the operations officers doing cia work could not america ended up in the counterterrorism worries of post 9/11. a lot of people in the latin america world for some reason ended up doing counterterrorism missions. cia budgets can have estimates on the pentagon now is required for the budget. how much of these special access programs, what do they do? how many companies. it still needs to be done. even when you see shrinking budgets for the pentagon for big things like tanks and aircraft carriers, the budgets for intelligence missions and intelligence operations are a lot cheaper to hire people for intelligence gathering sent on an aircraft carrier. these budgets continue. >> host: train to come any idea how many people in pakistan are in the pentagon payroll for the cia payroll are working at the cia? >> guest: -- on since the 2010, 2011 period of time. after raymond davis, after the bin laden raid basically shut down a number of not on

superficially, their backgrounds differ -- agee, a graduate of neat note and an expert on latin americaen, a high school dropout, interested only in internet technology. agee with a passion about his beliefs. snowden a robtd. agee, a cia agent a dozen years. snowden, holding a top security clearance with a modicum of experience. common to both men and to all spies, really, is the mess -- mess yannick conviction that they are doing the world a fair favor, that they know what is good for you because in their tangled web, they are -- after all -- smarter. edward snowden is now facing his destiny. >> eric: election fraud hit the 2008 presidential election in the indiana primary. and tomorrow in court in south bend, the four election officials and operatives who were convicted or pled guilty will be sentenced. what they did, what they face and the basis of our democracy was betrayed according to officials. [ male announcer ] this is kevin. to prove to you that aleve is the better choice for him, he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes

cheryl: even in brazil and latin america at that is fascinating.round the world to pull back from stimulus we will see that here in the united states. what does that do to the emerging markets? >> some of these countries make it more difficult to fund those deficits. the currency of which country has fallen the most? those that run a large deficit india, brazil. but that they have the deficit over the last decade with easier liquidity flowing from the u.s. but now that the institutions are risk averse the central bank will think about tapering down and what is going on line is the liquidity to perform. cheryl: and the contrary in in me says it is said great time to buy with the atf. >> it is not a great time for passive investing in the emerging market. you have to pick your spot. 80 percent of the population are 35 percent of the global economy and they are diverse countries with different cycles and this is generalized but i think it is the wrong thing to do. the last decade the rising tide of global liquidity lifted all the markets but that is r

they didn't want latin america destabilized by communism and there was a faction and the administration that felt that very strongly. they were trying to sort of strike a balance if you could and he would have liked the deal rather than the combat. and this is thatcher was determined not to have the deal. house i shall win the book she did make some very big concessions in the negotiations. making the calculation that she had to do that to satisfy the world opinion and hoping against hope they would not be able to accept the concessions and that hope was correct. but it came quietly to that the united states was tilted to britain and was always a struggle. it was rather confusing. and i think without the close relationship it would have been harder because she was able to get on the phone and sort of talk him through it and because they had more active grounds on detail he was always at a bit of a disadvantage because she would have every fact in her head and sometimes they would discourage the conversations because they thought it would be worth it for him. they sat out tremendous amer

of course in latin america there are different views and positions. on the one hand you have countries like mexico, peru, chile, media others which have a very common view of the world and we share the same values with the u.s.. we are fully committed with democracy, human rights, the rule of law, separation of powers, freedom of press which is important for you and everybody else. and we have created the pacific alliance which is a very young alliance that has been extremely successful. we have already reached agreements to utilize to integrate our financial sectors, to create a free movement of people are now all these countries and a lot of collaboration's and we are joining forces to penetrate the markets which is a challenge than the u.s.. but on the other hand you have the other countries that understand democracy in a different way. the economic development model is different from ours and of course it has the right to choose its own behalf, but we are fully convinced that at least for the pacific alliance country the path that we are following