when i was medellin the writing of this book when the family secrets case broke and laufman, i would love to write about that one, too, because you can't make that stop. it's incredible. >> we have we overlaps. >> we were talking earlier. >> they didn't plan this apparently, but the secret service in chicago was bent out of shape over mr. williams beat rolling stone and tipped me at the federal building to his sentencing in his last case so i covered the sentencing in chicago and it would have been 07. >> but you guys were in the same courtroom. >> i wasn't here but he wrote a letter to the judge. >> talk because this character is little known compared with someone like jolie the clown in chicago and mob figures. talk about his life before the people by the book to read about it gives them the rough outlines because this, too, has to do with family. there's a real psychological thing. >> that was more fascinating to me than counterfeiting aspect. the counterfeiting aspect and drew me in because it is a crime people don't know a lot about but it was his family situation that compelled