frank bruni, errol louis, and laura barron-lopez. laura, welcome to "prime time."ve you all here. first, does anybody not believe this story? silence! okay. go ahead, lopez, you go first. >> yeah, i'll go first. it's believable. again, this fits with trump's efforts as well as stephen miller's to try to push the envelope as much as they possibly can when it comes to immigration. trump wants to make the entire 2020 campaign about this. and if he could go unchecked, would enact proposals such as this. but, again, we saw that he met resistance, and even though they repeatedly pushed this out there, they weren't able to get their way. but this again illustrates that trump wants to use immigration as a political tool against his opponents as opposed to trying to work with democrats to come up with some comprehensive immigration reform to actually address the issue at hand. >> now, if you can get past, errol, the obvious dehumanizing aspect of this, that you're using them basically as chits, there is a little bit of an evil genius at work here. you take the people that y