. >> you your frying to laura donohue. >> issue here? no. so i think this is really a serious problem. and i would like to see's -- i would like to see some reforms in these issues to make the court more accountable. >> because there is so much secrecy and the court and the intelligence committees one of the ways that we find out about things going on our often leads to the media. a lot of conscientious government employees who see something wrong and try to report end up suffering greatly losing their jobs jobs, even being prosecuted. how important is that channel of information? >> it is vital. there is one person who is here today is crime was describing how nsa was being inefficient in trying to deal with the incredible volume of information that they take in every 2nd and who was charged with the espionage act 35 years potential sentence. a terrible overreaction to what was essentially an effort simply to blow the whistle and they get the government to do a better job. and being more general this country depends on newspapers and journa

. >> you your frying to laura donohue. >> issue here? no. so i think this is really a serious problem. and i would like to see's -- i would like to see some reforms in these issues to make the court more accountable. >> because there is so much secrecy and the court and the intelligence committees one of the ways that we find out about things going on our often leads to the media. a lot of conscientious government employees who see something wrong and try to report end up suffering greatly losing their jobs, jobs, even being prosecuted. how important is that channel of information? >> it is vital. there is one person who is here today is crime was describing how nsa was being inefficient in trying to deal with the incredible volume of information that they take in every 2nd and who was charged with the espionage act, 35 years potential sentence. a terrible overreaction to what was essentially an effort simply to blow the whistle and they get the government to do a better job. and being more general, this country depends on newspapers and jou