today we're talking with laura freedman, president of the foundation for middle east peace and professor roxanne vermont from ion at cambridge university. listen, thank you both for joining me. this is a very heavy subject, lara. i have to ask you and i and i'm not being facetious. but you as the president of the foundation for middle east peace as you look at your agenda and you look at the question in prospect, the middle east peace, what do we need to do to get to what your, your mission is all about? a look. i think at this point, no one's talking about middle east peace. and frankly, we haven't been for a very long time. i mean, us policy has been about crisis in conflict management. at this point in this moment in time, what we're talking about is stopping genocide, preventing further genocide preventing ethnic cleansing. i think for folks we're focused on the day after and how we get back to piece. and i'm sure that's well intentioned, but unless you're doing everything you can right now to stop the bleeding and stop the escalation. so it kind of gives no credibility. it seems lik