but the problem is we don't have a shared understanding of the rules of the game. >> ifill: laura galante, the kinds of companies which were allegedly targeted in this, steel companies, steelworkers union, alcoa, westinghouse, what are the significance of those companies? >> it wasn't surprising to us to see that these manufacturing companies, particularly in advanced manufacturing were those that were targeted and discussed in the indictment. what we've seen is data facts closely aligned to the types of emerging industries that we see china discuss as the core pieces driving their economy. so what we'll see is where china discusses biotechnology as a core initiative, we'll see many companies come from that sector whether it be pharmaceuticals as a subsector there, or also aerospace and defense, of course a common target. >> when you hear as susan shirk was just saying, when you hear the united states say we're going threaten you, they have been saying this for a while. has there been any evidence that these threats have begun, that there has been a pullback on the part of china? >> here'