because do you know -- who's laura gwynn? >> i'm not sure. i don't know. >> let me tell you who laura gwynn is going back. apparently laura gwynn was an attorney from maine justice who was sent by lonny brewer to prosecute gun cases. and around 2009, september of 2009, she was sent to arizona to prosecute gun cases. in her e-mail of september 2nd, 2009, she talks -- she sends an e-mail to jim trusty in the united states department of justice in washington. it says, it's my understanding a lot of those guns walked. so we had an attorney from your department sent to washington who sends a communication back to mid-level or senior level people in the criminal department saying, it's my understanding, i'm on the scene, guns walked. and i want to know why when a former u.s. attorney, based on those opinions, declines to prosecute cases because he does not like the procedures of atf and an attorney who goes and identifies gun walking, why would a subsequent administration send down attorneys and resurrect these cases for prosecution? >> well, i mea