attorney for the northern district of alabama, and laura jarrett, senior legal correspondent for msnbc laura and joyce, great to have you with us tonight. laura, let me start with you tonight. -- i want to start with the news we have about mark meadows because mark meadows today is filing for a change of venue. he has filed with the northern district of georgia to move fani willis's case against him to federal court. do you think such a move is likely? >> whether or not it will be successful will be up to the judge. let me just say, it's not frivolous. it's not crazy. whether or not he will win, we will have to see. but the argument is, what he is being charged with is a new indictment and has to do with new indictments actions he was taking -- while he was chief of staff. the removal statute says, if you have a cover-able argument there, you get to remove it. now, if the charge was that mark meadows originally allegedly robbed a bank, you would say, that's crazy. that has nothing to do with him being chief of staff. >> right. >> raging phone calls, putting pressure on state officials

attorney for the northern district of alabama, and laura jarrett, senior legal correspondent for nbc news. laura and joyce, great to have you both with me tonight. laura, let me start with you in terms of the many people named in this indictment down in fulton county. i want to start with the news we have on mark meadows. because mark meadows today is filing for a change of venue. he's filed to move fani willis' case against him to federal court. do you think such a move is likely? >> whether or not it'll be successful will be up to the judge. let me just say it's not frivolous. it's not crazy. whether or not he'll win, we'll have to see. but the argument is what he's being charged with in the new indictment has to do with things and actions he took while he was chief of staff. the removal statute says if you have a coverable arguably move you have to remove it. if the charge was mark meadows had to do with robbing a bank you would say that's crazy. phone calls, putting pressure on state officials he'd say that's not per se criminal. of course prosecutors would disagree with him. they

. >>> senior legal correspondent laura jarrett joins me laura, this is a complicated case for both the prosecution and the defense. explain how so >> reporter: yes, lester, both sides face some risks here with such a spraufling conspiracy case like this one for the fulton county district attorney, the charges are complex. they involve a series of different events across state lines over a period of several months, and because this is mostly about actions mr. trump took while he was president, the state will also likely have to deal with a move by his legal team to try to take this case to federal court, as we saw his former chief of staff do that this evening as for the defense side obstacles, the prosecutor here has thrown a lot of darts at the wall, and legally, she only needs a couple of them to stick to win this case and based on this indictment, it looks like there are at least a couple cooperating witnesses, and the d.a. is likely hoping others are going to come around, as well. >> and she got a lot of attention during that news conference last night, she suggested this trial cou

laura jarrett joins us now. a, justice thomas putting out the new disclosure, also taking aim at some of his critics. >> yes, lester. this was long-awaited as justice thomas today officially disclosed several private jet rides he accepted from that conservative mega donor harlan crow last year. their friendship has been under heavy scrutiny after reports about all the luxury trips thomas hadn't disclosed for years. his property sales with crow also detailed for the first time. thomas' lawyer says any errors in reporting were just inadvertent mistakes as the disclosure rules were recently clarified. at least one of the rides from last year thomas says he took was because of security risks after that draft opinion leaked, the one overturning roe v. wade. he says he never took any gift from anyone with any business before the court. meantime, senate democrats continue to push for ethics reform on the court while republicans and thomas' own lawyer say this is all just a partisan smear against the justice. lester? >>

laura jarrett back with me, as well as chief justice contributor jonathan dienst if you step back for a moment, this is astonishing what we've witnessed over the last several weeks can we talk about the confirmation of these unindicted co-conspirators and why they would not be named or indicted a this point >> well, it's possible that the special counsel's office is still gathering information on some of them we're working to confirm some of the names. but based off of what we can piece together, just from what's public, it appears many of them are actually the former president's own lawyers, which is quite unusual, and part of what makes this case so complicated. >> yeah, jonathan, you've got some reporting on that >> yes, it's four lawyers, one justice department official, one political consultant we spoke with an attorney for john eastman, one of the lawyers who is an unindicted co-conspirator, number two, his lawyer confirms he is named in these charging documents as unindicted co-conspirator number two. and he allegedly came up with president to not certify the election this plan

laura jarrett explores the role of the judge including her history with the former president. >>> another live look at the san jose foothills where we are following a brush fire, now 40 acres burning off clayton road. it started at 2:00 this afternoon. a sky ranger above the >>> breaking news tonight. former president donald trump pleads not guilty to charges he illegally conspired to overturn the 2020 election. mr. trump in a federal courtroom in washington just steps from the capital where his supporters rioted on january 6th. the former president facing his third arraignment charged with a criminal scheme to stay in power after his loss. special counsel jack smith just feet away from him in the courtroom before leaving washington. mr. trump, who is running to retake the white house in 2024 coming before the cameras, calling it a very sad day for america. our team at the courthouse and our legal analyst standing by. >>> also tonight, two u.s. navy sailors under arrest, accused of spying for china. the secret they're accused of selling. >>> the grim discovery. two bodies in the rio grand

what does today's decision mean exactly, joining me now is nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. good to have you here. so you've read through it. speed reader, what's up. >> short story is the case is going back to the supreme court. nothing will change as of right now, but things could get tricky depending on what the supreme court does with this. all of this started in april when a federal judge in texas blocked access to the pill nationwide, gutting the original approval of the drug that had been on the market, the most commonly used abortion pill, had been approved since 2000. the drug actually has been, again, used widely since that time. the judge actually in the fifth circuit there, got it blocked in full by the supreme court back in april. supreme court said let's just press pause on everything and allow the natural court process to play out. that process involves going back down to the fifth circuit, and that's what we have today. the fifth circuit decision finding that judge matthew kacsmaryk in texas got it wrong in part because they waited too long to sue for the or

fani willis might be in it for a long haul in a different way. >> blayne alexander and laura jarrett, thanks to both of you. >>> on the hook. rudy giuliani will have to pay damages to the georgia election workers who he defamed. we will talk to the head of the organization representing them. that's next when "andrea mitchell reports" is back there 60 seconds. don't go anywhere. this is msnbc. is is msnbc. our b. we need to scale with customer demand... ...in real time. (jen) so we partner with verizon to take our operations to the next level. (marquis) with a custom private 5g network. (ella) with verizon business, we get more control of production, efficiencies, and greater agility. (marquis) so our customers get what they want, when they want it. (jen) it's not just a network. it's enterprise intelligence. (vo) learn more. it's your vision, it's your verizon. have fun, sis! ♪♪ can't stop adding stuff to your cart? get the bank of america customized cash rewards card, choose the online shopping category and earn 3% cash back. you've evolved. ♪ you've changed. so have we. that's why d

vaughn hillyard who's outside of the fulton county jail for us, nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett, and "atlanta journal-constitution" political reporter and an msnbc political contributor, greg bluestein. those are big questions, let's get to the reporting about what's going on. laura, i'm going to start with you. donald trump and the others were originally going to have a trial date a little bit later on. now at least one of them wants their trial date on october 23rd. we'll see if that happens. we also have hearings coming about whether this case should be sent to federal court and taken out of state court. what's the argument there? >> this all starts because the former chief of staff mark meadows decides to file a motion to pluck the case out of state court into federal court. he filed that just on behalf of himself, saying because i was acting as chief of staff, as part of my official duties, this case should be in federal court. the judge said fine, you want a hearing, it's going it happen 10:00 a.m. on monday. it's a big deal. they're going to hear evidence. they're going t

. >>> joining us now, nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett. former manhattan district attorney and nbc legal analyst, catherine christian, and former assistant general for national security, mary mccord. ladies, great to have you. october 23 lt. >> not going to happen. >> not going to happen? >> no. but she's putting down a marker, setting a tone for the case. >> saying bring it on. >> she called ken chesebro's bluff. maybe he's ready to go. as catherine has been pointing out all day, defendants risk something by saying, okay, i'm ready to go right now. he has to sort of be ready and face a d.a. who's been prosecuting this case and been ready for two years. she knows this in and out, and so do all of her deputies, and to be able to have the time to process all of that discovery, it's a risky move. it's a gamble. >> and only thing that mr. chesebro and his attorneys know about the case is in the indictment. and the whole case is not in that indictment. it's very easy for his attorneys to say let's do it because if mr. chesebro is convicted, the

joining me here, chief white house correspondent kristen welker and senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. laura, let me start with you the former president has been processed now. we will see trials, perhaps, as early as october, his won't wbe one of them now. >> that's right, lester what we watched unfold in georgia is really just the first step in what is going to be a long legal fight the president's lawyers want to slow things down, of course, where as at least one of his co-defendants has now moved to speed things up. asking for a speedy trial. a judge in georgia has agreed to that, and so at least as to that defendant, ken chesebro, the trial will go forward, at least for now in october this year. but that's not to mr. trump. >> all right, and kri kristen, you're getting an inside look at some of the thinking within the trump camp >> i am. i spoke to an aide who is traveling with former president trump, who tells me tonight he is defiant in the face of these charges. now, while his aides are touting his political resilience amid four indictments, some are concerned about the impact

i want to turn out msnbc's chief legal analyst -- and nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. laura, let me get your sense of what, if anything, is signaled by the setting of this august 28th days. and the judge today said, the trial judge is going to actually decide on the trial date on august 28th. >> a couple of things. the magistrate judge made it clear she had actually told to judge chutkan. the one who is the trial judge, who's going to be for nicholas entire show. she made clear, we've already chanted. we've already figured this all out. she came ready with tights. they couldn't say, okay, we'll sit you later. lots of times you have this first appearance, but you don't get an extra tight until later on. today, everyone was like,, nowhere ready to go for later in august. that's number one. number two, she made it clear, we are going to actually set a trial date at that next date. and august, august 28th. at that date, we will actually know, at least for now, when the trial will be. doesn't mean it won't get pushed, doesn't mean they won't try to delay, doesn't mean thin

want to turn now to nbc's chief legal analyst ari melber and nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. thank you both for being here tonight. laura, let me first get your sense of what if anything is signaled by the setting of this august 28th date, and that the judge today said the trial judge is going to actually decide on the trial date on august 28th. >> so a couple thing. the magistrate judge made it clear she had actually talked to judge chutkan, the one who's the trial judge who's actually going to be running this entire show. me made it clear we've already chatted, so she came ready with dates. lots of time you get a first court appearance and don't get a next date until later. number two, she made it clear we're going to set a trial date at that next date, so at that date we'll actually know at least for now when the trial will be. it's significant because it shows where judge chutkan it was head is at. it doesn't mean, again, there won't be attempts but i think it signals at least where her expectations are. >> it seems to be, ari, like a tas utrebuke to the floated strategy

lester >> blayne, thank you joining me now is senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. laura, help me understand there have been two federal cases. this is a georgia case that would potentially see an indictment. what's the difference? >> yes, and the facts actually overlap between the federal and the state charges. but these potential georgia charges could offer a much deeper dive into what prosecutors say happened specifically in that state. the georgia case could also involve more than just mr. trump as more than a dozen people have been told they could face potential charges and of course more defendants mean it will take longer to get to a potential trial, lester. >> i know there's also a headline today about the hunter biden case and that controversial plea deal. what can you tell us >> yes, lester, that plea deal first began to crumble under scrutiny from a federal judge. now lawyers for the president's son say prosecutors actually went back on their agreement on those tax-related crimes, detailing how negotiations broke down in a new court filing and saying a sep

laura jarrett explores the role of the judge including her history with the former president. >>> another live look at the san jose foothills where we are following a brush fire, now 40 acres burning off clayton road. it started at 2:00 this afternoon. a sky ranger above the >>> breaking news tonight. former president donald trump pleads not guilty to charges he illegally conspired to overturn the 2020 election.

laura jarrett is here along with andrew weissman, former fbi general counsel and former senior member of robert mueller's special counsel. also an msnbc legal analyst. blaine, i want to ask you about the judge in this case. what do we know about him? >> reporter: yeah. a couple of things, one, this came as a surprise to those of us who have been watching and following this case for quite some time because there has been a single judge who all along had been handling all of the developments from top to bottom. he was the one who was on the bench last night when the indictment was unsealed. that judge is not going to be handling this case. so certainly that came as a surprise, but again, again, we know this judge is going to be overseeing a number of different aspects. one, what the terms of surrender look like. two, this judge is going to have the final say as to whether or not cameras are allowed in the courtroom. it's something we've been talking about a lot. but the judge ultimately has the final say and it's likely he will approve it if precedent is any indication. >> scott mccalfy

joining us now laura jarrett, nbc news senior correspondent, and luke broadwater, congressional reporterura, let's get to the breaking news that just happened during that commercial break, that one minute that we had which is another person just turned themselves in. this is trevian kutti. >> one of the final folks we were waiting to see. they're really cutting it down to the wire here. remember, the district attorney said she was going to put out arrest warrants for people who hadn't turned themselves in by noon today. they were cutting it close there. it now appears she's turned helps in. one-time former publicist for kanye west, r. kelly. the allegation against her by prosecutor was that she was part of the group that was pressuring election officials in georgia, namely ruby freeman, who had been subject to a lot of harassment, and she was on tape, and again, part of the group that was pressuring her to sort of change her story, to admit that she had done something wrong when, in fact, she had not one. one of the charges she's facing is putting pressure on those election officials and

so let's start in fulton county with nbc senior legal correspondent laura jarrett where the court is just getting back from recess. mark meadows took the stand today, he was asked about that now infamous phone call where donald trump asked the georgia secretary of state to find him the votes. what did he say? >> yeah, chris, it was something of a surprise move to have meadows take the stand at all. we wondered how exactly he was going to defend as it is his burden to prove why he should be in federal court in the first place. his argument is all along he was acting as a federal employee, and he was virtually on different calls and meetings by the former president's side for several weeks and months there as he took all of those different actions, he says, on the former president's behalf. he believes he didn't do anything wrong whatsoever, but of course, we thought it was going to be a risky move because the prosecutor can use anything he says on that witness stand against him, and already we see a vigorous cross-examination by the prosecutor's office asking him, in what specific way

to laura jarrett, let's talk about mark meadows and jeffrey clark.y are fighting to get their case moved out of the state system to the federal system. they lost first round, which was to prevent their arrest by that noon deadline tomorrow. talk to me about whether you think that they have a case to stand, both former officials, one was an assistant at the justice department for environment and very briefly acting ag, and then the other, of course, was chief of staff. >> right. their argument is as federal officials, this entire case should be removed to federal court. they made an argument the entire thing should be paused right now. they were seeking an emergency stay to make sure that they wouldn't have to turn themselves in. on that piece, that's what the judge said, no dice, there's no legal support for that. in fact, the law says the opposite, which is the state proceedings should continue on until the case is actually removed to federal court -- it hasn't been. they weren't going to win on that. they lost that piece. as for whether they will b

let's bring in nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett now. this fight's not over. talk to us about what yesterday's ruling means and what's next. >> what it means is that the justice department is running back to the supreme court after it had already taken up this case. the way it's structured, all the frenzy about is the pill on the market, not on the market, state were stockpiling it. now the supreme court is going to have to address it again, now that it's worked its way through the process. it's looking at a different question, what it's looking at is whether the fda was allowed to loosen a couple restrictions on access to this pill. it's not about the original approval anymore. it's all about a series of ways. you can see there starting around 2016 they made it easier to get. you can use it longer into your pregnancy. they allowed for a generic version, and then really important during covid they allowed you to get it through the mail. why is that important? particularly in states where you cannot get a surgical abortion, a lot of blue states have been mailin

joining me now is kristen welker and laura jarrett. let me start with you, laura. the start date of a trial is upon us, october 23rd. what happened there? who does that apply to? >> it's really limited. it only applies to one of mr. trump's co-defendants who started all of this by demanding a speedy trial. the judge, as you mentioned, just signed off on it a short time ago. as of now, this incredibly fast schedule only applies to mr. ken chesebro, part of the scheme to submit the fake pro trump electors to congress. his case is now split off from the other 18 co-defendants including the former president whose lawyers signaled they want to slow things down. >> and you have new reporting from those close to the former president. >> they're defiant. i asked about the mood inside the former president's orbit. they point to the millions of views he got for that online interview. look, some of those who are close to the former president are concerned. this is taking place in a key state that mr. trump almost certainly needs if he wants to win re-election in 2024. they're

laura jarrett, chris hayes, barbara mcquade, and joyce vance. thank you, fearsome foursome for you for your time, energy, wisdom, and thoughts. just hours before donald trump officially turned himself into a line authorities, completing his fourth criminal arrest, house republicans launched another effort to rescue him. house judiciary committee congressman jim jordan has now opened a inquiry into fani willis. in a letter to miss willis, he accused her of leading a politically motivated prosecution of the former president. the congressmen question whether we'll is work with the justice department and in special counsel jack smith. and demanded that willis turn over all documents and communications between her office and federal officials, including anything related to the use of federal funds. now, we have seen republicans in congress or congress circle the wagons around mr. trump. after mr. trump was indicted in manhattan, republicans demanded testimony and records from manhattan d.a. alvin bragg's hush money investigation. the dea -- dea bragg

laura jarrett, chris hayes, barb mcquade, and joyce vance, thank you so much. just hours before donald trump officially turned himself into atlanta authorities, completing his fourth criminal arrest, house republicans launch another effort to rescue him. house judiciary committee chair congressman jim jordan has opened an inch work worry a default and county d.a. fani willis. in a letter to miss willis, john accused her of leaving a politically motivated prosecution of the former president. the congressman questioned whether willis worked with the justice department and it's special counsel, jack smith, and demanded that willis turn over all documents and communications between her office and federal officials, including anything related to the use of federal funds. now we have seen republicans in congress circle their wagons around mr. trump before it happened after mr. trump was indicted in manhattan, republicans demanded testimony and records from manhattan d.a. alvin bragg's hush money investigation. the d.a.'s, the a bragg's response to all that was basica

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tells me lester >> all right, garrett, thanks very much let me turn to our legal correspondent laura jarrett. you're at a bit of disadvantage because we don't know officially who those indicted are or what the actual charges are. but what stands out in general about this process and where it may lead >> i think the fact that you have ten indictments speaks to what could be the sprawling nature of this case. ten indictments means ten different cases. and each individual indictment could have multiple defendants, could have multiple counts we don't know exactly what those charges are and who all will be named. but we know obviously the former president has allies who have been in the sights of the district attorney there, fani willis and she's also indicated that she's interested in using racketeering-related charges. all of that means a pattern of unlawful conduct. you have to have two or more unlawful acts to make a racketeering case she says that she has preferred to use that type of case in the past because it allows her to tell a story to the jury so we wait to see whether or not that's w

i'm joined by senior legal correspondent laura jarrett, chief justice contributor jonathan dienst and kristen welker. you're getting indications the judge may want to move quickly with this case? >> absolutely, lester. all signs point to the judge, tanya chutkan, not looking to waste any time. coordinatoring with the imagine trait ahead of today's hearing to make sure 20 get everyone back in court later this month. she intends to set the trial date at this hearing. this is the same judge who nearly two years ago said presidents are not kings when she rejected mr. trump's attempt to block the january 6th committee from getting hands on documents from the white house. and she has a history of sending down longer sentences for those on trial for storming the government. >> kristen, tell us about the former president. he was really defiant today. >> he absolutely was, lester. it's interesting. the judge gave former president trump the opportunity to appear virtually, but he showed up in person. he spoke out after. it's something he has done after the first two indictments, essentially tre

laura jarrett, thank you so much. good to see you. >>> now to that breaking news overnight in california. a mass shooting inside a well-known biker bar. this morning, we're hearing about the frightening scene as police reveal new details about the suspected shooter. nbc's national correspondent miguel almaguer is live in los angeles with details on this one. miguel, good morning. >> reporter: craig, good morning. the deadly shooting took place at the historic bar cook's corner. it's been in business for almost a hundred years and is a popular spot in orange county, california. police revealing overnight the suspect may have worked in law enforcement. overnight, police responding to a mass shooting at this famous biker bar in orange county, california. >> eight shots were fired. white male, plaid shirt and jeans, still shooting. possibly active shooter at cook's corner. >> reporter: police say the first shots rang out at cook's corner wednesday night as the live band started playing at the bar's weekly spaghetti night.

. >>> we now want to get more on these cases from nbc senior legal correspondent laura jarrett.reat to see you let's start with that federal case in washington, d.c., on allegations of election interference what could factor into the decisions about a trial date they're asking for trial dates that are two years apart here. >> i think today we will get a little preview into the judge's thinking the government is clear. they want this trial to happen before the 2024 election even if they say january, they know it will probably get delayed a couple times that at least gives them a goal that allows them a little leeway of course, it is in the thick of the primary season trump says let's have it happen almost three years from now. i don't think we're going to see the judge split the baby and do something in the middle. i think it is largely going to depend on whether she thinks that the former president has said anything in his social media posts that's potentially problematic where she thinks it is going to taint the jury pool and we need to do this past. we're going to get a previe

msnbc news correspondent, blayne alexander, and garrett haake, and senior legal correspondent, laura jarrettre with us in new york. you have been so closely following this investigation. what unanswered questions are you still looking into? >> reporter: well, josÉ, we are looking towards what happens next. you talked about the sentencing. we are officially on the 10-day kind of countdown for the 19 individuals to, under whatever terms, come down to atlanta and turn themselves in. what will the terms of surrender look like? i reached out to a couple of my sources, and those conversations are under way, essentially about what will it looks like, will they be fingerprinted and will there be mugshots? that's one thing that we are watching. we do know that the posture of the d.a. gerri willis and even the posture of the sheriff of the county has been that they don't want to treat any other defendant, however high profile they may be, any differently than they would treat any other citizen in fulton county. that's been their stance all along, but the judge will weigh in on what happens. the attorn

joining me is nbc news senior legal correspondent laura jarrett. you have been digging into this filing. >> this is the first public accounting of harlan crow and the justice whose relationship had come under scrutiny after that report. we should mention this is just for what happened in 2022. we do not have a full accounting of all the other decades, and we know their relationship has been long standing. the justice essentially says in his own defense, this is much adieu about nothing. the rules do not have me having to disclose all of this. it was personal hospitality, and then the rules change in march, and they make it crystal clear, if you're taking private jet rides or going on luxury vacations, you need to disclose them. his lawyers put out a statement, saying these were inadvertent mistakes, calling the whole thing a partisan hit job, a feeding frenzy, people are targeting the justice for things that everybody else knows is going on behind the scenes. everyone was so focused on justice thomas. >> but acknowledging the propublica report. >>

i want to bring in nbc news senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett.ccess to the abortion pill. >> the same case that had been circulating around earlier this year, the most commonly used pill in the country, mifepristone, and a lower judge in texas, back in april, had put a hold on the original approval of the drug, as well as some of the ways the fda made the drug easier to use, getting the pill by mail. you'll remember, the twists and turns, all the way to the supreme court, let's just slow everything down. i'm going to put a pause on the lower court ruling while the case continues to play out. it has continued to play out, and went back down to the fifth circuit. it went before a conservative appeals court, three judges now today have issued a decision, and it is upholding part of the original texas ruling but only in part, and the part that it says is okay is having to do with getting the pill by mail, all the ways they can get it more easily. that's the part they said cannot happen. the loosening of restrictions, that's the part that is not okay.

senior legal correspondent laura jarrett, former manhattan assistant district attorney catherine christian former u.s. attorney chuck rosenberg. blayne, the ogistical question the defendants are facing in terms of the surrender, when, where, they have to do it before august 25th, that's ten days, what do we know, what do we -- we may need to find out from prosecutors, who is cutting a deal? >> reporter: the biggest thing we know right now is that everything is on the table. that's number one. two, these discussions are actively happening. when i say everything is on the table, i mean when i spoke with the sheriff and speaking with other officials who have knowledge of how these things play out, that means there's a possibility of fingerprints, mugshots and the possibility of surrendering at the county jail, rather than the courthouse. there are a number of people taking part in the conversations. we are talking about the d.a.'s office, the sheriff's office, who provides security for these things. then, of course, the defendants' attorneys along with a judge who has been assigned to this ca

. >> let's bring in nbc news legal correspondent laura jarrett.he president changed his lawyer before he's going to georgia and he's done this before with the classified documents case in florida. >> he was supposed to turn himself in tonight and he's changing his lawyer with hours to spare. >> what do you make of it? >> it's unclear if the person was forced out. he didn't want to do anything to do with the case anymore, who really knows? what it signals is a level of chaoticness with this entire process, but of course, he still does representation and the person he's being represented by, and very well known in atlanta. >> and has represented usher and the like. >> interesting. can we talk about mark meadows for a little bit? former white house chief of staff because he turned himself in today and tried to avoid this and kind of was creative, legal tactic, i guess? that's usually used in civil cases and he's done that, what is the takeaway if you can read the tea leaves for us. try the best or it just doesn't work. >> the judge wasn't buying it a

let's turn to laura jarrett on the legal issues because as mentioned by lester, there are three indictmentsending in new york state court. another federal case in miami. this case that we are going to see arraigned today is the heart of the matter. this goes to the very issue of whether or not he tried to obstruct, overthrow the transition, the peaceful transition of power in 2020. what are these charges? walk me through. >> there areoudifferent charges and they primarily relate to all of the steps that the president, the former president and his allies, even though they' not named in this actual indictment, they're all over it, and it's about a conspiracy. a conspiracy to stop the peaceful transition of power, to specifically stop what had been done by no other president to stop the actual electoral college from voting on january 6th. when you think about the iconic images of the mob storming the capitol that day and that was one of the ways that many have tried to stop the peaceful transition of power and have been prosecuted for it, but this indictment tells another story in another way

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let's get some perspective on the overnight developments from laura jarrett and kristin welker ladies, good morning to both of you. let's start with the legal side, laura. so the president had been booked he's posted bond we've seen the mug shot. what does this mean for the case moving forward now where does it go >> the most important aspect of this entire process for the former president is that he abides by those conditions for his release. remember, we have seen the paper that sets out the fact that he can't intimidate witnesses he can't even talk to his co-defendants about the facts of the case we know mayor giuliani said, i talked to him earlier this week. it shows you the delicate dance prosecutors will have to decide when to bring things to the o i >> judge's attention. how much does he want to enforce this, and how do they want to go about it >> how do they go about enforcing the conditions of the bail >> the prosecutors, if they hil immediately, but admonish him, thought there was a violation, they would bring it to the judge's attention. of course, the judge wouldn't necess

savannah >> thank you we want to turn to our senior legal correspondent, laura jarrett.what is the significance of it >> this could be critical. it will decide whether this trial happens at all and if it does, whether it is ready to go by october of course, the defense wants to put this off for a little bit. they say they need more discovery. they say the entire process was flawed the grand jury wasn't instructed properly i think that's not a winning argument on the law. it seems pretty clear there. the prosecution has a strong case but i don't know that this can go by october. it's a death penalty case. there's a lot of discovery that has to be traded between both sides. his lawyers say they need more evidence on how they zeroed in on him with the dna. i think october could be pushing it for this case but they're not going to be able to delay forever. >> no. it may get pushed off more, but it is headed to trial, it appears. >> yes. >> what about this notice of alibi. but the alibi that they identify is him driving around alone. >> that's not an alibi >> i didn't think t

let's bring in our legal correspondent laura jarrett and kri kristin welker let's talk about the timing of the trial. obviously the defense lawyers are already saying we need more time we got to look at this discovery. come on. we have so much to go through. when do you think this trial date will be set, and why is that such an important issue in this case? >> this is when it is key to watch the judge. she's already signaling she wants to move fast mr. trump didn't even appear in front of the judge who you see on your screen there she's made it clear to the magistrate she wants to set a trial date at that hearing it signals she wants to move she could set it before the one set for may. his other classified documents case, she could move it ahead. she could set it for early next year before that case. >> what are donald trump's rights here? he has a right to a speedy trial, but he also has a right to look at discovery and not be rushed into it how do those two factors play out? >> this will be up to her discretion there is no firm time line on when exactly she has to set the trial. but i

laura jarrett, catherine, thank you so much, and lisa ruben, i appreciate it. all right, that is going to do it for me today but do not worry because nicolle wallace takes things over in just a few seconds. "deadline white house" starts right now. >>> hi there, everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. there is a lot happening this hour. history unfolding. a flood of new developments to tell you about. just a few minutes ago donald trump, the disgraced ex-president, the front runner for the republican nominee for president, four times indicted departed his golf club in bedminster, new jersey. he's en route to fulton county, georgia, near newark airport we believe. he'll surrender himself for processing at an overcrowded jail with a reputation for violence and neglect. a jail accustomed to holding defendants up to and including violent crimes where stabbings are frequent. actually three people have lost their lives over the last month. that jail is where the disgraced ex-president of these united states is heading right now. just let me get one, two, three, four times in

. >> thank you so much let's bring in nbc's legal correspondent, laura jarrett first of all, this ishys said their only choice was to have a conservatorship because he was too old to adopt. >> under tennessee law that makes sense. usually a conservatorship, everyone remembers this with the debacle with britney spears, it is either someone who is underage or if you know sort of impaired in some way now, it is not clear that at 37 years old he needs to still have the conservatorship. if they're not contesting it, the judge will probably let them out of it. the issue is whether he should be entitled to backpay or money because he's saying they made a lot of money off his likeness and using his image. again, it is not clear he will be able to get any remedy from that. >> laura, what about this idea that michael oher, his claim that he didn't even know he was part of this conservatorship for 20 years does a judge or jury buy that? >> i think that will be tough for him. after 20 years the idea you didn't know you couldn't enter into any contracts clearly he was playing in the nfl. he was e

savannah >> blayne alexander outside the courthouse there let's turn to senior legal correspondent laura jarrett and kristen welker we meet again. let's talk about this indictment 41 counts, 19 defendants it is a big piece of business. what are your take-aways >> it is expansive and this district attorney said she wanted to use racketeering because it allows the prosecutor to tell a story. and the story we see here is not just about the infamous phone call to the secretary of state, but also the intimidation of election workers, false statements filed in court. we didn't know all that would be included here, but she has done a deep dive. we talked how it overlaps with the federal case but here the racketeering charges alone, that carries 5 to 20 years in prison and that 5 years is mandatory. it's quite serious it's expensive but there's obviously going to be a long road to try. >> racketeering is one of the words that if they associate it at all, they think about organized crime. essentially what she's arguing here is there is this far flung conspiracy with 19 defendants, 30 unindicted coconspir

nbc news legal correspondent laura jarrett has details. >> reporter: as the republican primary heats prosecutors to begin their case against donald trump for trying to overturn the 2020 election. judge tanya chutkan rejected the former president's bid to delay the trial until after the election, emphasizing the public interest in seeing this case resolved in a timely manner. >> the trial date could slide, but not because mr. trump is going to prevail on appeal. >> reporter: trump's calendar on a collision course with his trials. his rivals are pouncing. >> you don't go with someone who's going to be in a courtroom longer than companying. >> reporter: the same day georgia prosecutors have asked for their election interference trial to start and it's the same day as super tuesday, when more than a dozen states hold their republican primaries. in new york he stands accused of falsifying business records to cover up an alleged affair. two months after that another case set for his handling of classified documents in florida. mr. trump has denied all wrongdoing, continuing to attack the p