. >> let me just bring in -- let me bring in laura ling, held captive by the north regime never five ths until former president clinton secured her relief. laura, great to have you on the program. can you relate to this man, held, what was it like being held captive in north korea? >> well, it was the most terrifying time of my life. he's been there previously on a number of occasions, but one moment his family believes that she doing his job and the next moment, there is no contact with him, and they don't know if they will, you know, see him ever again. he is isolated in the most isolated country in the world. with very -- almost no contact with anybody. i believe he's been able to have contact with the swedish visitf and meant to be consular in nature. ask about his well-being, but very little else said. i'm sure he feels extremely helpless. >> by the way, you said five years, it was five months before former president clinton went over there. how do you get through those days? did you have contact with your family? i talked to kenneth bayh's sister. how do you get through those mo

she was in the communist nation for 140 days in 2009 after being detained with fellow journalist laura ling. the two were together working on a story about human trafficking between china and north korea when they were taken in custody. lee was kept in isolation, repeatedly interrogated and sentenced to 12 years hard labor for illegally entering the country and once again for quote, unquote, hostile acts. she was released after 4 1/2 months after former president clinton negotiated her freedom. she's written a book about her ordeal called "the world is bigger now." and she is "outfront" tonight. and thank you very much. just even hearing that and reliving it. apparently there are, according to the state department, 130,000 people who are political prisoners, you know, google earth has shown us a sense of north korea where some of these camps might be. you came really close to going to one of these. what will happen to kenneth bay if he goes to a labor camp? >> according to -- from my research, it would be very hard for him. i remember how i had all these feelings, anger and frustration and

this was 2009 journalist laura ling celebrate freedom, former president bill clinton takes the creditar later it's a different former president, jimmy carter, with another relieved american. kenneth bae is the sixth american in the wrong place at the wrong time. and the north koreans may once again be holding out for a high profile visitor before they give him up. what north korea wants above all else is to enter one-on-one talks with the united states to gain concessions and get an end to punitive sanctions. they may see kenneth bae as the perfect way to achieve that aim. with the announcement of their third successful nuclear test in february, the stakes couldn't be higher. north korea even threatened a preemptive nuclear strike during south korean and u.s. war games last month. those maneuvers are over, but it seems the brinkmanship is not. well, the united states has no diplomatic representation inside north korea. instead, swedish diplomats acting on their behalf visited bae in jail on friday. it's still not known when or if kenneth bae will be set free. wolf. >> dan rivers, than

remember when the journalist laura ling and euna lee were taken? former president clinton was insphrum mental in getting their release after they were sentenced to 12 years hard labor, 2010 former president jimmy carter traveled to north korea to secure the release of the american teacher gomez. now, president carter's office told us today, quote: president carter has not had an invitation to visit north korea and has no plans to visit. now, former new mexico governor and u.n. ambassador bill richardson has been involved in a lot of negotiations with the north koreans. he told us today, quote: it is important that negotiations begin to secure kenneth bay's release on humanitarian grounds or a general amnesty. he should not become a it would cement to many that kenneth bae has already become precisely that a bargaining chip at least in the eyes of the north koreans,. >> shepard: jonathan, you mentioned bill richardson he and the google executive schmidt visited north korea on a private trip. they tried to get the north koreans to release kenneth bae

journalist laura ling and euna lee. former president bill clinton takes the president.later, jimmy carter with another relieved american. kenneth bae is the sixth american at the wrong place at the wrong time and the north corey ykoreans may be holding oa high-profile visitor before giving him up. they want to enter one-on-one talks with the united states to gain concessions and get an end to punitive sanctions. they may see kenneth bae as the perfect way to achieve that aim. with the announcement of their third successful nuclear test in february, the stakes couldn't be higher. north korea even threatened a preemptive nuclear strike during south korean/u.s. war games last month. those maneuvers are over, but it seems the brinksmanship is not. >> well, the u.s. hasn't got any diplomatic presence inside north korea, of course. swedish diplomats act on their behalf and they have visited kenneth bae last friday. but unlike the other cases -- high-profile cases in recent years, he was in korea with a valid visa. he's a tour guide. goes in all the time. that makes this case

laura ling and elena lee.h korean experts are suggesting this might be some kind of bargaining chip to try to ease the u.n. sanctions against pyongyang or even get former president's clinton or carter to get there, to help them establish kim jong un as the leader of that regime there. jon: you have to feel for that young man whatever is happening there. david piper, thank you. jenna: a possible break in the search for a missing mom. police think she was kidnapped while working the night shiftwadia gas station. now we have a sketch of a possible suspect and police are asking for your help. also fast moving flames burning thousands of acres in southern california forcingee evacuate wraeugss and leaving one man's home in ruins. a live report next. >> once it all sits in real hard and i can actually sit down and have have a good cry with good friend. my neighbors, thank the lord that they are all a okay. [ male announcer ] this is george. the day building a play set begins with a surprise twinge of back pain... an

you will remember the famous case a year before in 2009 of the two journalists, laura ling and lee, theyfore president bill clinton, former president bill clinton, wechbt in and got them out. emotional scenes as they came back to the united states. we're expecting, wondering if the same kind of thing is going to happen in this case. >> dan river is live in seoul for us. thank you. >>> 37 minutes after the hour right now. autopsy will determine the cause of death for 34-year-old rapper kris kelly. kelly died wednesday in an atlanta hospital after being found unresponsive in his home. known to fans as mac daddy, he was 13 years held when they were discovered in an atlanta mall. the duo who are known for wearing their clothes backwards scored that huge hit with "jump" in 1992 and hoped with michael jackson on his dangerous tour. >> speaking of michael jackson, testimony of his wrongful death trial resumes in a few hours in los angeles. yesterday a police detective testified dr. conrad murray was in desperate financial straits at the time of jackson's death, suggesting his personal physician

this was 2009 journalist laura ling and euna lee, and former president bill clinton takes the credit.place at the wrong time. and the north koreans may once again be holding out for a high-profile visitor before they give him up. what north korea wants above all else is to enter talks with the united states. to gain concessions and get an end to punitive actions. they may see kenneth bay as the perfect way to achieve that gain. with the announcement of their third successful nuclear test in february the stakes couldn't be higher. north korea even threate preemptive nuclear strike during south korean/u.s. war games last month. those maneuvers are over but it seems the brinkmanship is not. well there's been a lot of speculation here, wolf that former president jimmy carter will be the one to get the call up to sort this situation out. i've heard back from his spokeswoman. she says that he has not had an invitation to visit north korea, and has no plans to visit. so they're going to have to look elsewhere if they want to get kenneth bay released. >> sure a lot of people want to do that.