>> laura ling joins us. four years ago, she was held and detained for 140 days. you see dennis rodman, what do you think, particularly what he said about kenneth bay, a man who is being held there now? >> look, he's a whacko, he's a nut. but i don't think anyone expects him to be this ambassador or to produce this diplomatic breakthrough. at least we shouldn't. it's like this bizarre reality show, you know, the celebrity and the dictator. i was very disappointed to hear his comments about kenneth bay. clearly, he didn't know what he was talking about. and that's really unfortunate. but with these basketball players being there under this so-called good will mission, i would hope that the north koreans could release kenneth bay as a compassionate gesture. >> how easy would it be for dennis rodman, it would be a great gesture. i spoke with kenneth bay's sister about rodman and her trip and i just want to play that. >> this isn't some game. this is about a person's life. father of three, a son and brother, and a husband. dennis rodman, he's not a diplomat, he says i