laura murphy, what did you hear from him? >> guest: well, i heard an overgeneralization about their procedures. we know, for example, that the fbi has placed certain communities under surveillance; mosques, houses of worship, interest groups like the russian community in new york, the chinese community in new york, and they have broad, broad surveillance powers. and we think that those, that surveillance goes beyond the fourth amendment. so i don't know that there's always a criminal predicate. in fact, i'm sure there is not always a criminal predicate before the fbi opens an investigation or seeks information that is, that most people would consider private. >> host: grover norquist? >> guest: well, i was glad to hear him say we're not doing things that might become illegal, which is good. so let's make them illegal, let's require a warrant. there's nothing -- i mean, to go into people's mail and to read their mail is an incredible intrusion and a possible threat to the fourth amendment rights that people have, and it ought

laura murphy, what is this group you have formed? >> it is a combination of think tanks and advocacy organizations and major internet service providers like google and yahoo and at&t. it is a group of interested people who want changes in our electronic medications privacy ions privacyuniat law. we need to updated. the last time the electronic communications privacy act was updated was in 1986. a lot has changed. does theind of access government have to our e-mails today? >> right now it is not treated like regular snail mail. .hey can go into it we need to update the law to go alongside the changes of .echnology instead of sending letters, we sent e-mails. of keeping the letter in your pocket or at your home, you might store it in the cloud. we can do that. we have updated these from time to time. technology changes. they have to do this more often because technology has been changing quicker. you can send someone an e-mail. that is like sending someone a letter. it is the same thing. the fourth amendment is still there. >> also joi

laura murphy. >> first of all, they have to get their facts together.just don't know what the facts are in this case. we cannot say that this individual agreed with his older brother's ideological beliefs. we don't know that. so this person has counsel. counsel is going to meet with this person to make sure that the charges are fair and build a case based on the facts. we can't predict how this case is going to go. we know that the federal government has to conform with rules of evidence and we think that they are going about this prosecution in the manner that really comports with our american values and our constitutional rights. >> ifill: david rivkin. 'm surprised actually to hear you say that because quite frankly in an effort to avoid dealing with the option that i mentioned by not mirandaizing him, they have actually created some problems for themselves. >> he was mirandaized. ifill: as of today when he was charged he was. >> yes. ifill: but there was a delay, you're right. >> there was a delay. i agree with professor who points out the danger of

. >> host: grover norquist, laura murphy americans civil liberties union and brandon sasso from the hill. this is "the communicators" on c-span. >> over the last, certainly over the last four years i'm worried about this administration and that i think is part of a long-term trend as i outlined in the book. it's using more and more state power to impose a particular worldview, and worldview i call liberalism and we won't go into it definition of that so we are not using the term loosely but as a christian i am worried when the state hhs agency wants to mandate that catholic institutions have to pay for -- in their insurance programs and i'm worried when the supreme court starts taking up things like marriage. marriage. i mourned that the things they see at universities. so i see more and are the state imposing a particular kind of agenda and it's really a worldview. it's bigger than politics. it's bigger than the republican and democrat. that's the worldview i'm investigating. federal reserve chairman ben bernanke highlighted low-income communities by community developments research in w