and laura petrue, one of my senior staff, came with me. we got to the west lawn and there was a circle of swat team members surrounding a helicopter and of course, the helicopter's blades were whirring and we ran to the helicopter, got inside. the headphones were put on and as we were lifting off, we could hear that the pilot was getting a communication, asking how many were on board and whether we could swing by andrews air force base to pick up senator lott and his staff, so we did that. we flew out to andrews first and then flew right versely over the pentagon as we were evacuating the city. steve: what time was that? sen. daschle: this was, by then, i would say around noon early afternoon. steve: and how did the city look? sen. daschle: the city looked somewhat normal from the air, with one major exception and that is of course, the pentagon. there you saw a plane -- we saw half of an airplane and with countless fire trucks and thousands of people standing around on the outside with all kinds of smoke billowing out. steve: when did you