please welcome laura ricciardi and moira demos. all right, laura, moira. do i have that correct? >> yes. >> you got it right. >> stephen: for those of you who have not watched your documentary series yet, "making a murderer," let me give a summary and see if i leave anything out that's necessary for our conversation. steven avery is convicted in 1985 of a rape and goes to jail for 18 years. he's exonerated when d.n.a. proves someone else committed crime, and he's freed. on his release, he sues the local police for $36 million. in the middle of that case, he's accused of a murder and the same local police are heavily involve inside gathering evidence against him. your film follows the trials of avery and his nephew, brendan dassey. did i leave anything out that we absolutely need to know before >> no, i wish we had met you 10 years ago. you would have saved us a lot of time, actually. >> stephen: that's an important point. you have worked on this for 10 years. how did you first learn the story of steven avery? >> so, it was back in november of 2005, and steven avery appeared on th

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please welcome laura ricciardi and moira demos. all right, laura, moira. do i have that correct? >> yes. >> you got it right. >> stephen: for those of you who have not watched your documentary series yet, "making a murderer," let me give a summary and see if i leave anything out that's necessary for our conversation. steven avery is convicted in 1985 of a rape and goes to jail for 18 years. he's exonerated when d.n.a. proves someone else committed crime, and he's freed. on his release, he sues the local police for $36 million. in the middle of that case, he's accused of a murder and the same local police are heavily involve inside gathering evidence against him. your film follows the trials of dassey. did i leave anything out that we absolutely need to know before we go on? >> no, i wish we had met you 10 years ago. you would have saved us a lot of time, actually. important point. years. how did you first learn the story of steven avery? >> so, it was back in november of 2005, and steven avery appeared on the front page of the "new york times" and the headline read, "freed by d.n

i think that's what she deserves. >> laura ricciardi and moira demos produced and wrote and directed "making a murderer" and have news to share about the case. thanks for joining us. in hour last hour you were speaking about a juror in the case where steven avery was convicted of murder and that juror now has had a big revelation. what can you tell us about that. >> sure. the juror contacted us directly and told us that the verdicts in steven's trial were a compromise. the jury used and went on to describe the jurors ultimately trading votes in the jury room and explicitly discussing if you vote guilt on this count, i will vote not guilty on this count, so that was a significant revelation. >> that's a very serious charge, obviously, moira, one that could turn the case on its head. have you been able to independently verify that say with another juror? >> we've not spoken to other jurors. this juror reached out directly to us. they told us really that they were afraid that if they held out for a mistrial that it would be easy to identify which juror had done that, and they were fearf

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the directors are laura ricciardi, and moira demos. >> well, back in november of 2005, we were graduateudents at columbia university school of the arts. and steven avery appeared on the front page of the "new york times." and the headline read, "freed by d.n.a. now charged in new crime." and we recognized steven as this potentially unique window into the system, as somebody who had been failed by the system in 1985, and now found himself back in it 20 years later. >> rose: and when you looked at it and looked at his conviction the second time? >> so, at that point he had really just been charged in the murder of theresa haubaugh. so as laura said, this idea that this man who had been failed so terribly by the system and really failed for 18 years-- you know, there had been opportunities for the system to correct itself, and it hadn't. and now he was stepping back in 20 years later, and, you know, in that 20 years, there had been advanced in d.n.a. there had been legislative reforms. there was a lot of talk that wrongful convictions don't happen anymore. this is a thing of the past. and

well, the women behind this documentary laura ricciardi and moira demos are here and have news aboutd i understand you have news about one of the jurors that contacted them by murderer. >> contacted by one of the jurors who sat during steven avery's trial and told us their belief steven avery was not proven guilty and bleach he was framed by law enforcement and that he deserves a new trial and that if he receives a new trial in their opinion it should take place far away from wisconsin. >> this is a juror who obviously voted to convict initially. >> yeah. >> we asked this person show explain what happened. why did you cast your vote for guilty, and what they told us was that they feared for their personal safety. >> wow. >> you're going to come back and talk more about this in our next hour, but before we get to that, are you surprised at the reaction to these ten parts of this documentary? >> i mean, it's certainly more than we could ever have dreamed of. i mean, we made this series to try to start a dialogue, and the fact that so many people are talking is just thrilling. >> wow. t

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. >> rose: also this evening, laura rich-- ricciardi and moira demos, they are the directors of "making a murderer qutionz on netflix. >> i see a the love talk and response to this, people taking sides debating guilt and innocence, that is actually not what this series is about. it's about failures within our system, and why those are happening and how can we do better. and there is so much that we could unite about or unite over. >> rose: and we conclude this evening with an obit area-- obituary and preeshes of alan rickman, the british actor who died last week. >> whatever you do as an acker is keum la tiff, it is bb-- cumulative, i say go to art galleries, listen to music, what is happening in the news. in the world and form opinions. develop your taste in judgements so that when a quality piece of writing is put in front of you, you your imagination which you've nurtured has something to bounce off of. >> rose: the global economy, u.s. politics, making a murderer on netflix and we remember alan rickman when we continue. >> funding for charlie rose is provided by the following. capti

charlie: joining me now are the directors of "making a murderer," laura ricciardi and moira demos.ow did this start for you? >> in 2005, we were graduate students at columbia school of the arts. steven avery was on the front page of "the new york time's," and the headline read, "freed by dna." we recognized him as somebody who had been failed by the system and now found himself back in it. charlie: when you looked at it and looked at his conviction for the second time --? >> at that point, he had just been charged in the murder of teresa hallach. the idea that this man who had been failed by the system for 18 years -- there were opportunities for the system to correct itself and it hadn't, and now he was stepping back in 20 years later. in that 20 years, there had been advances in dna, legislative reforms. there was a lot of talk that wrongful convictions don't happen anymore. this was a thing of the past. we didn't have dna back then. it was an opportunity to test that theory. at that point, we decided to go into production. we went to wisconsin. we moved there and documented this

but in all that time two filmmakers, laura ricciardi and moira demos, we shooting and editg the hundreds of hours of footage, which became "making a murder." >> are you surpris at how it's just completely exod? >> i am. i mean, i've gotten emailsndontas from terally all over the world. >> reporter: the ten-part series examines the trials of steve aver takinviewers behindhe scenes as jerrbutingnd dean strang make their defense ca. >> all rigso that's it, that's the evidee. wh? n we arguit. wesitatirst t i realized tt you knowthis wld be an oppouny toee whait >> reporter: former osutor kekrdid not ipate in the netfx series. anwhile he did winn the urtroom, he's now playing defense in anoer court, blic opinion. he continuesrefu t denss ry tt stev ary washe victim of a frame-y the towoc coty sheriff's dement. >> with any one of these facts, you can me up wi a wt-if scenario. at some int is conspiracy theory collapses under its own ight. right now focuses on that vial of avery's blood at the center thry. in court the defense cldn't prove as used to p the blood stain in teress car. but a scene

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but in all that time two filmmakers, laura ricciardi and moira demos, were shooting and editing the hundreds of hours of became "making a murderer." >> are you surprised at how it's just completely exploded? >> i am. i mean, i've gotten from literally all over the world. >> reporter: the ten-part series examines the trials of steven aking viewers behind the scenes as jerry buting and dean strang make their defense case. >> all right, so that's it, that's the evidence. now what? we argue it. >> i was hesitant at first. but i realized that it, you know, this would be an opportunity to see what it's case from the defense side. >> reporter: former prosecutor ken kratz did not participate in courtroom, he's now playing defense in another court, public opinion.te the defense's theory that steven avery was the victim of a frame-up by the manitowoc countyrtment. >> with any one of these facts, you can come up with a what-if scenario. but at some point this apses under its own weight. >> reporter: a lot of attention right now focuses on that vial od at the center of the defense's frame-up theory. in