business me method patents, a lot of those patents are really vague and easy used to sue people. >> laura seidel in conversation with sarah lazy and myself. we have a link to laura's original radio report as well as a linch to an earlier work where she rode with families on a bus headed to visit loved ones in prison. it is well worth your time to listen. we'll be back in a minute. lot of those patents are really it is well worth your time to >>> that's our show for this week. we're back next week. i'm scott mcgrew. thank you for making us part of your sunday morning.