she will be named by someone she trained and also npr's laura seidel. this is laura's six appearance here. in 2015, we will be launching an app, a guide to the revolution experience downstairs. if you come and download the app, you will hear laura seidel's voice because she is the official voice of the app. she is npr's digital culture correspondent. we can use all that we can get. please join me welcoming our guests. [applause] catherine: great to be here on this rainy night. i think we got a little bit from the videos. what is defy doing right now? how do you define this venture? catherine: there are 100 million americans with criminal histories. many of them developed amazing hustling skills in their former drug dealer ship days. we recruit from them in transform their hustle from illegal ventures into legal entrepreneurship. we recruit people after they are released from prison. we recruit people like yourselves, business people, as mentors and coaches. we have online training courses. we bring them together for events where we teach them entrepreneu