he lived at the top of laurel canyon, the movie the old silent movie stars own this log cabin?up there. it turns out behind his house all of this road grading equipment. they had started a development and left it there. it was all just resting. so he says, come o let's go out. i thought i'm going to have to direct him. he said, come on, let's go out. the first thing he did, he climbed up on the tractor. like he is driving the tractor. >> he was just setting up the pictures for you? >> i said, frank, thank you. >> we wouldn't expect anything less from frank zappa. there is a cave. he goes into the cave. he comes out of the cave. goes into the cave, comes out of the cave. frank, what are you doing? >> but you're getting good pickets. >> i had one interview with frank zappa and it didn't go well. he is a tough guy. it was awful! i admire his work but he is a tough guy or was a tough guy to talk to. mick jagger, can you take a bad picture of him? >> probably not. i figure you can't take a bad picture of jimi hendrix, you cannot take a bad picket of mick jagger. london, i was there