laurie kraner from carnegie mellon university. next to her. alan davidson from google.jewels parneskki from the future of privacy forum. adam fehr from the progress and freedom foundation. joe taroeau from the university of pennsylvania and last but not least, definitely is allen west tin from columbia university. i'd also like to present to my right, chris olsen comoderating this discussion. >> can i intercede to say i can't forget about the consumers. >> oh i'm sorry. joel kelsey, consumers union. my apologies. okay. those in the audience, if you have a question for any panelists write it on a question card, it will be collected by one of the staff circulating. for those listen, e-mail questions to privacyroundtable at ftcgov. we'll talk about a number of studies during this panel. those are available on the agenda as pbs links. if you want to explore the issues in more detail you're certainly welcome to find those materials there. i would like to throw out a general question, what do consumers know about data flows and the collection and uses of their personal inform

. >> laurie or cheryl rights the foreward. >> this is exciting. >> yeah, it is. >> are you doing a tour around it? >> we did a press brief,, and tomorrow and then we go to h.a. and san francisco, so yes, a little tour, and it's moving, this is moving real fast on amazon. it's like the number one policy book. >> sarah palin, here you come. >> apparently on one of the sites, it was based on tom payne's common sense and glen beck did a common sense something too, so they're next to each other, except mine is above his. more sales. >> that's awesome. that's good company. he's my favorite american philosopher. >> because we send a notice out to the members, so we have a hot of members, so people are -- and it's very reasonably small and it's also small. >> you can read it in a flash. it's really fun, because it sort of goes through you know, what's the science, what are the impacts, what happens to you people, what are the security issues and then how do you solve it, and there are a lot of skeptics still out there. i mean, last week -- >> co2 is good for you. >> i spoke at this economics cl

the administration is facing a lot of tough questions, laurie. >> larry: that's ed henry. the passenger whose sickness triggered today's alert and police response at the detroit airport has been released from the custody of the customs border patrol and joint terrorism task force. he was making a connection through detroit and was allowed to continue to an unspecified destination. his name is not released. what's the latest travel guidance from the tsa with heightened security measures in place. we'll give you tips on our blog and we'll show you what's happening at airports around the country. we'll do that next. >> larry: let's discuss airport security. we'll check in with detroit. let's go to the l.a. international airport at the tom bradley international terminal at l.a.x. he was making a connection through detroit and allowed to continue through an unspecified destination. what's the latest travel guidance from tsa? give me some tips at our blog at cnn.com/larryking. we'll show what you is happening around airports around the country and we'll do that next. ? does your

before we get you, laurie, we have a question for buzz aldrin.he might be getting out of your centre this is from the museum of science in boston. this is coming from an 8-year- old from kohl has it, massachusetts. >> my name is markets. i am 8 years old. i would like to be on mars one day as an engineer or scientist. what hobbies are good for astronauts? >> when why -- when i was an mit, i did not live far from you. you need patience. you need to communicate with other people. you need to have, i think, something that separates you from others. you will have an evaluation of considerable wedding out of other people who are trying to do the same thing. you say you want to go to mars? >> yes. >> how long do think you'll stay when you get there? >> i don't know. maybe a few days parade >> how long? that is a normal answer. there was someone at an event that said that his son was -- want to go to mars. he said he would stay a couple of days. i said it may take the better part of a year to get there so why would you want to say a couple of days? why

the administration is facing a lot of tough questions, laurie. >> larry: that's ed henry. the passenger whose sickness triggered today's alert and police response at the detroit airport has been released from the custody of the customs border patrol and joint terrorism task force. he was making a connection through detroit and was allowed to continue to an unspecified destination. his name is not released. what's the latest travel guidance from the tsa with heightened security measures in place. we'll give you tips on our blog and we'll show you what's happening at airports around the country. we'll do that next. 'm wearing my older sister's jeans that she ruined with bbq sauce... or so i thought. see, my mom washed them p)with this tide stain release in-wash booster stuff. she's all, "you use it with your detergent to help get stains out the first time." are you kidding me? so now the stains are magically gone. and my sister passes on her jeans to me. what a life. [ female announcer ] tide stain release. stains out. no doubt. i'd like one of those desserts and some coffee

laurie kellman is telling us this is the first on the senate has voted on christmas eve since 1895.t debate was on matters of employment for former confederate officers. this is an historic day for the senate, as well. the senate was originally scheduled to vote at 8:00 in a mood to 7:00 last night. there was discussion about trouble for the holidays. we are told that lawmakers are keeping their politics escape routes open. senators have one tool to make their travel better. they can reserve multiple flights. this goes against sweeping ethics rules. does not an option open to the general public. their schedules make it hard to predict when they can leave washington. they will be at the airports but their departure is guaranteed for members of the senate today. let's get a few comments from our twitter audience. in my opinion, the level congress has worked all year long should be repeated every single year. here is another twitter comment -- we will hear from our reporter audience throughout this program. host: our next call comes from boston, mass., you oppose the bill, why is that?

laurie, our ministry is about restoration.e believe only the guilty need mercy, so i say, tiger, you know what? we can learn from our mistakes. god is a forgiving god. we've all made poor choices before, but this is not the end of your life. god has a way to work for your good. i would he encourage him to keep his hopes up and get some good counseling. but just to let him know this is not the end. >> larry: would you say he maybe should get divorced? i mean, sometimes you have to counsel and some people should, shouldn't they? >> it would not be our first choice. i think everybody knows we're all about doing what you can to stay together. sometimes you can't unscramble eggs. if it's done it's done. it takes two people. god gives us own free will. we pray for him. >> larry: the basis of christianity is forgiveness. isn't that hard? >> it is hard. it's really hard. >> larry: turning the other cheek. >> it's very hard. a lot of things in christianity are opposite what we'd like to do. when you forgive someone you release a prison

. >> joe, do you or laurie want to add anything given to that?yeah, i think that on a number of levels you can interpret the data we've collected. iá's true that attitudes can be critiqued as simply a point in time. buá we've also collected a lot of data about what people know okay in relation to those attitudes and what they believe in terms of what the governsq't does and if you lay those things won on top of another. people that know little believe the government does a lot and are very nervous. we then ask the question, if you found out that a company is collecting your information illegally what would you do. a side from the monetary amount we asked them what would you do to executives while something a little over 30 percent said they would get the company to train people and teach the people in the company about privacy issues and keep it, i should say a strong percentage wanted to put the people in jail executives in jail and i think it was 18 percent wanted to shut the cos(anies down. i don't think people on a jury would really do this b

laurie kramer, on my left. next to her is alan davidson. jill kolineski from future privacy forums.n the university of pennsylvania. allan weston from columbia university. >> may i intercede to say that we cannot forget about the consumers? [laughter] >> sorry. joe, kelsey, the consumers union. bias -- my apologies. if you have a question for a panelist, right in on a card and it will be collected by the staff. those of you listening can e- mail us. we will be talking about a number of consumer surveys and studies during this panel. those are all available on the agenda. so, if you want to explore these issues in more detail, your welcome to find those materials there. i would like to throw out a general question. what do consumers know about data flow in the use of their personal information, online and offline? joe, we should start with you. i would like to have each of you talking about various research that you have done in your findings. >> at a high level, as you said, there have been national surveys over the last 10 years. some of those studies have data about what americans

host: we are talking with laurie on the independent line.ery time that myself one of my girlfriends, and we are senior citizens. one of us is singled out. and we are taken to the side, and whenever they will do. that job is a government job. and if i was someone who was screening people, i would choose the most vulnerable, he's the person, to question because i would be afraid that if i question somebody who seemed dangerous, that person just might blow me up. there is something wrong with the picture and i think that those people are wonderful. they are wonderful people but they should be trained. they need to be a little bit more aggressive with people who are actually dangerous. guest: i am sari that you or your friends are being stopped for the screening. some of that has to be random. you cannot let anyone who is thinking about attacking the airplane believe that he knows exactly what he will have to do to avoid being screened. i really do not think that it is fair to say that these employees will not look for people who are suspicious.

next, laurie itkin. she has served as the director of government affairs for cricket communications for the last nine years. prior to joining there, she managed government relations for sprint and served as an adviser to the governor of oregon. >> finally, joel kelsey. he is a policy advocate -- policy analyst. he worked as an outreach director for the new york public interest research group. we thank you all for appearing. after each of you give your testimony, we will proceed to ask questions. will all rise and raise your right hands and repeat after me? do you affirmed the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth so help you god? >> thank you. >> good afternoon, chairman. thank you for the gracious introduction. i appreciate your opening comments. the subcommittee's concern about text messaging is based on an overly narrow focus on the trend of a single pricing option for text messaging services, paper used. ppu refers to the charge for individual messages w

before we get you, laurie, we have a question for buzz aldrin. be getting out of your centre this is from the museum of science in boston. this is coming from an 8-year- old from kohl has it, massachusetts. >> my name is markets. i am 8 years old. i would like to be on mars one day as an engineer or scientist. what hobbies are good for astronauts? >> when why -- when i was an mit, i did not live far from you. you need patience. you need to communicate with other people. you need to have, i think, something that separates you from others. you will have an evaluation of considerable wedding out of other people who are trying to do the same thing. you say you want to go to mars? >> yes. >> how long do think you'll stay when you get there? >> i don't know. maybe a few days parade >> how long? that is a normal answer. there was someone at an event that said that his son was -- want to go to mars. he said he would stay a couple of days. i said it may take the better part of a year to get there so why would you want to say a couple of days? why would we

host: we are talking with laurie on the independent line.s this. every time that myself one of my girlfriends, and we are senior citizens. one of us is singled out. and we are taken to the side, and whenever they will do. that job is a government job. and if i was someone who was screening people, i would choose the most vulnerable, he's the person, to question because i would be afraid that if i question somebody who seemed dangerous, that person just might blow me up. there is something wrong with the picture and i think that those people are wonderful. they are wonderful people but they should be trained. they need to be a little bit more aggressive with people who are actually dangerous. guest: i am sari that you or your friends are being stopped for the screening. some of that has to be random. you cannot let anyone who is thinking about attacking the airplane believe that he knows exactly what he will have to do to avoid being screened. i really do not think that it is fair to say that these employees will not look for people who are s

the president left the white house earlier this evening to fly up to west point he was joined by laurieill both be on capitol hill tomorrow. both the house and the senate testifying before two key committees as they provide members of congress with more details on the obama plan and the strategy in afghanistan. we of course will be covering those hearings. live on c-span radio you can also watch them on c-span 3 and they will be posted online as is everything else at c-span.org. mary lou is joining us from wellington, new jersey. good evening. >> i have two concerns about the speech tonight. while i support more troops being sent to afghanistan, i think he really should've listened to the advice of general mcchrystal. because i don't think general mcchrystal would've asked for a certain number of troops unless he thought that number was needed to get the job done properly. and i believe he asked for 60,000 originally with a minimum of 40,000 we're only sending 30. the other concern i have is i agree with the battering that all the little bit earlier. i don't think it was good for obama

and i will send it back to you saying that we are, as laurie has testified to, such uncharted watershat all that matters is that a 50% decline in house prices will see how this works. no, i have no evidence that ms. gordon was referring to that this was going to be terrible. however, when we are with high unemployment and this far upside down then ministates or ten states in the united states believe that when i'll see it. >> professor sanders, isn't it true that on the bankruptcy laws every other kind of that is exactly the same way that the legislation we talked about last year would modify how mortgages? every other kind of secured debt? >> that is true. >> thank you. >> but there's a reason why mortgages were not included in knots. >> that's the only reason? >> i didn't say that's the reason. i'm just a mortgages are not included here that the statement did not a reason. >> okay. >> gentleman from georgia. >> thank you, mr. chairman. let me start with this because we are in just a terrible situation here. i have had difficulty since we've been in this crisis understanding why the

and i will send it back to you saying that we are, as laurie has testified to, such uncharted waters that all that matters is that a 50% decline in house prices will see how this works. no, i have no evidence that ms. gordon was referring to that this was going to be terrible. however, when we are with high unemployment and this far upside down then ministates or ten states in the united states believe that when i'll see it. >> professor sanders, isn't it true that on the bankruptcy laws every other kind of that is exactly the same way that the legislation we talked about last year would modify how mortgages? every other kind of secured debt? >> that is true. >> thank you. >> but there's a reason why mortgages were not included in knots. >> that's the only reason? >> i didn't say that's the reason. i'm just a mortgages are not included here that the statement did not a reason. >> okay. >> gentleman from georgia. >> thank you, mr. chairman. let me start with this because we are in just a terrible situation here. i have had difficulty since we've been in this crisis understanding why t

from the city hall, the bills will come via lauri at -- the bills will come the laureate -- the bills bells welcome the laureate. the decision to award this prize -- there is actor will smith and his wife. they will be presenting the traditional nobel concert tomorrow and they brought their two young children to join tonight. also here is -- some of the artists will be performing at the concert tomorrow and they are invited to the ceremony today. also, a guest here today is toby keith, who arrived here in his cowboy hat a little while ago. and donna summer and here is the painter that created the peace prize diploma which you will receive today with a gold medal and 10 million swedish kronor. the flowers today that are decorated the oslo city hall highlight the architecture, and the mural paintings in the hall. more than 10,000 followers have been used for the decorations. they are carnations, lilies, flamenco flowers and orchids as well as apples and oranges. the american ambassador, barry white, here. a little bit further on, here, and the norwegian prime minister who earlier visite

and i will send it back to you saying that we are, as laurie has testified to, such uncharted waters that all that matters is that a 50% decline in house prices will see how this works. no, i have no evidence that ms. gordon was referring to that this was going to be terrible. however, when we are with high unemployment and this far upside down then ministates or ten states in the united states believe that when i'll see it. >> professor sanders, isn't it true that on the bankruptcy laws every other kind of that is exactly the same way that the legislation we talked about last year would modify how mortgages? every other kind of secured debt? >> that is true. >> thank you. >> but there's a reason why mortgages were not included in knots. >> that's the only reason? >> i didn't say that's the reason. i'm just a mortgages are not included here that the statement did not a reason. >> okay. >> gentleman from georgia. >> thank you, mr. chairman. let me start with this because we are in just a terrible situation here. i have had difficulty since we've been in this crisis understanding why t