and they live up in independence, iowa. >> but laurie arnold's parents -- >> no, i didn't speak with laurie's parents, no. >> anybody else? how about somebody from -- >> there's got to be a question? >> i've been down here for 16 years now. i wondered why i centered on roland. i haven't read it. i'm going to tonight and read it. why was he chosen as a main character versus maybe some of the other meth addicts that you talked to? >> that's a good question. the question was, why did i center the character of the addict in the book on roland jarvis as opposed to any other addict? and the answer to that is that because he would talk to me. [laughter] >> and he was willing to let me into his life for 3 1/2 years. and one of the reasons that he would talk to me is that at one point his doctor had been the man who was sort of within of two principal characters in the book, clay hallburg, you know, i was looking for people to write about and clay put me in touch with him, and he said it would be okay. so that's why. i mean, i certainly met many others but, you know -- i don't know, it's like